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Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners

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Post by quest88 »

egypturnash wrote: post #19
Buchstabensalat wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great from a user perspective - but wouldn't this mean the end of online advertising? I imagine conversion tracking, or even sending requests to external servers wouldn't be okay with this setting.

People would still be perfectly capable of selling advertisements that worked similarly to the way ads worked before everything was online - a magazine/newspaper/tv show/etc says "our audience size is roughly X, our audience demographics are Y, here's what our ad rates are". Modern hyper-invasive ads that follow you around the net, build up a profile based on everywhere you go, and occasionally try to install unpleas…

I've bought a lot of useful things through instagram ads. TBH their targeting is really good and I in-fact do like the ads because they're so relevant.

Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners

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Post by esperent »

sjroot wrote: post #48
dessant wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Global Privacy Control [1] is a new specification that is backed by an increasing number of browser vendors and publishers. [1] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/10/coming-to-a-brow...

This...this was Do Not Track..

The article is literally about how this is similar/different from Do Not Track and how new laws such as GDPR give it a chance to work where the former didn't.

Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners

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Post by tpoacher »

GuillaumeHr wrote: post #39
beardog wrote: post #24

Neat approach! This extension is proprietary (according to license on Firefox Addons site). I Don't Care About Cookies and UBlock Origin are open source. Given that such an addon requires access to all sites, I have to trust a random french developer/company not to steal my banking credentials. This is not intended to be hate and I will keep this in mind for the future as this is a good new approach. I ask that you c…

You are right! To be honest: Ninja Cookie is really young and this is the first time I try to post on hackernews and I didn't plan to get all those comments. Because Ninja Cookie is really young, we are still thinking on our business model. We would like to open our sources so that you will be confident but we need first to find the right business model. No business model = no futur. And we want a futur for our Ninja…

Assume I trust you, and tomorrow your CEO changes. Or you're acquired by Google. You're basically asking me to trust Google. And with an addon that apparently:

"needs to: Access browser tabs Access browser activity during navigation Access your data for all websites"

no less.

Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners

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Post by deepstack »

Semaphor wrote: post #52
recursive wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no need to notify the server that your user-agent is opting out of cookies. Cookies only work because your user agent remembers them. You can opt out of cookies today by turning off cookies in your user agent. As a bonus, this even works for shady servers that don't respect earnest requests.

All the tracking is far more involved than cookies though.

Canvas GPU finger print, network analysis, you get tracked one way or another. Surf web with lynx or lynx2 only!

Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners

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Post by severine »

ffpip wrote: post #56
severine wrote: post #8

According to their FAQ, their approach is remarkably different from the popular I Don't Care About Cookies: Some current extensions promise navigation, but without a cookie banner. However, Ninja Cookie removes cookie banners by refusing the use of advertising or tracking cookies. This is not the case with current extensions. For example: I Don’t Care About Cookies: this is regularly described as the Internet user’s…

I don't think I Don't Care about Cookies accepts the cookies. It hides them. And some sites (facebook) take you scrolling the site as accepting cookies and tracking. So when you hide and scroll, you are opted in.

Straight from the "I Don't Care About Cookies" homepage:

By using it, you explicitly allow websites to do whatever they want with cookies they set on your computer (which they mostly do anyway, whether you allow them or not).

I hope Ninja Cookie release their code!

Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners

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Post by recursive »

Semaphor wrote: post #52
recursive wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no need to notify the server that your user-agent is opting out of cookies. Cookies only work because your user agent remembers them. You can opt out of cookies today by turning off cookies in your user agent. As a bonus, this even works for shady servers that don't respect earnest requests.

All the tracking is far more involved than cookies though.

Yes. The comment I referred to specifically referred to cookies. Also, if you're being tracked by canvas fingerprinting and font enumeration, I doubt asking nicely will have any effect.

Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners

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Post by XCSme »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #55
wdb wrote: post #17

Never understand these kind of extensions. This way you still don't know what the site trying to do with the cookies.

It's definitely a power-user skill to be able to even recognize "oh, this functionality is probably broken because an extension is blocking a critical cookie/script or I clicked 'No' to the cookie banner". Though I've noticed that sites that use cookie banners really do only put their ad/analytics cookies behind that gate. They don't tend to let you turn off, say, a shopping cart cookie with "No".

Well, I still think sometimes my AdBlocker is the issue when a site is not working, but when I disable it it still doesn't work so even for power-user is hard to know if an extension is breaking the site or not. This gets a lot harder when you use multiple such extensions.
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