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Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by davidmurdoch »

lovemekonsole wrote: post #530
cercatrova wrote: post #112

If you want to use a terminal that is actually open source and doesn't have telemetry, much less only available via signing in with GitHub, use Alacritty, also written in Rust and cross platform. https://github.com/alacritty/alacritty

I use Konsole. It's written in I-dont-know-and-dont-give-a-shit-why-is-that-even-relevant. It's free, does not spy on me, comes by default with Kubuntu and has great themes out of the box (including the Solarized themes).

> It's written in I-dont-know-and-dont-give-a-shit-why-is-that-even-relevant.

Same. But boy to people really like tools "written in Rust".

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by nlh »

varenc wrote: post #493
nlh wrote: post #462

This is perhaps slightly orthogonal to the main discussion here on this thread, but I have a question for Zach (and the various engineers posting on this thread): Did you guys talk to real-world users while building this and before this launch? This whole blow-up re: your telemetry / open sourcey'ness seems like it could have been avoided. I'm curious if you actually floated these ideas with real world users and a) e…

There's an active Discord with 700+ Warp users. I reported issues on it and immediately got helpful replies. They're talking to lots of real-world users. My take is that the hacker news crowd is not the target market for Warp. I think it does an amazing job of making the terminal easy and friendly to infrequent users. I'd recommend it to anyone who tells me they prefer a git GUI interface over the shell because of ho…

This is a great answer. Thank you!

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by nlh »

cieplik wrote: post #508
nlh wrote: post #462

This is perhaps slightly orthogonal to the main discussion here on this thread, but I have a question for Zach (and the various engineers posting on this thread): Did you guys talk to real-world users while building this and before this launch? This whole blow-up re: your telemetry / open sourcey'ness seems like it could have been avoided. I'm curious if you actually floated these ideas with real world users and a) e…

Hey - in general, yes, we do talk to our Users on a regular about the product (in fact, I first participated in the research session, and only after that decided to join the company). I assume you're asking specifically about discussing telemetry and open source, not only the features. We try to be super open about collecting the data, and published an extensive list of things we report. Most of our users don't mind.…

Thank you for answering! So it really just sounds like an impedance mismatch between Warp and the HN crowd.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by X-Istence »

michlim wrote: post #144
buro9 wrote: post #44

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I'm not sure I'm ready to have SaaS models replace core utilities and tools locally. > Announcing Warp’s Series A: $17M to build a better terminal And just thinking about this... it's not clear to me what their moat will be as I suspect if there's a really compelling feature it will be available in OSS terminals quite quickly. Perhaps it's the product polish? But I'm not sure polish is what I want from a terminal, at…

Warp engineer here. FWIW, the Warp terminal will be free for individuals. We would never charge for anything a terminal currently does. So no paywalls around SSH or anything like that. The types of features we could eventually charge for are team features. Our bet is that the moat is going to be the team features, like: - Sharing hard-to-remember workflows - Wikis and READMEs that run directly in the terminal - Sessi…

> - Sharing hard-to-remember workflows

Those get codified into ansible and deployed on CI/CD pipelines. This is an anti-feature. The day that someone suggests using a terminal to manage hard-to-remember workflows is the day I start a huge crusade to fix whatever process led to introducing yet another tool.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by oneplane »

This seems to be more like an IDE or ISE and not like a terminal emulator and a running CLI shell.

At first I thought it was a sh-compatible replacement, but it wasn't, and then I thought it was a terminal emulator, but that's not really what it is either. And then came the intrusive pop-ups all the time and now I don't really know what it is. A teaching tool perhaps? A "use it once a year" tool?

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by etra0 »

kobalsky wrote: post #582
eddieroger wrote: post #574

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pbcopy/pbpaste are gems that more Mac users need to know about. A command line interface for your clipboard is invaluable and really ties together jumps from UI to CLI. Regarding the other thoughts in this post, I have to agree. I use iTerm instead of Terminal.app, but if I had even the remotest fear that it was sending anything elsewhere, I would jump ship. My terminal has all kinds of information that can act on my…

I use them from my linux workstation as a poor man's access to apple's universal clipboard. echo -n something | ssh my-mac pbcopy then I can paste on my phone.

This is... actually genius. I wonder if that would work with media too, specifying the input type or something, going to test that.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by pedrossmelo »

ddoolin wrote: post #251
warent wrote: post #226

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Agree, this is a pretty bad deal breaker for me. Big business people doing short-sighted big business things, salivating at cramming a product full of telemetry. All without transparency around it? In a terminal of all things?? Indescribably off-putting and catastrophically damages my trust in the product and the CEO. EDIT: To be fair there is some transparency in the original post. I was looking through the landing…

This is why I deleted Fig ( https://fig.io/ ) right after installing it. It must've sent some uninstall information, too, because the creator/CEO emailed asking why I uninstalled it afterwards...

lmao the same happened to me

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by davidhariri »

I tried it. It’s nice to be able to interact with the text input in a more familiar way. Tab completions are good, but not much better than what I had with zsh in Terminal.

Like others have mentioned, I am confused about why I have to sign in, why telemetry is recorded, etc.

From the comments, seems the team is well-meaning. Time will tell. The privacy blowback reminds me of Kite’s first post on HN.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by _tom_ »

girvo wrote: post #512
Arcuru wrote: post #457

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Oh yea, Fig is also the one that is Mac only but never mentions that fact anywhere on their website. Everything is written to just presume that the reader is on a Mac. Their getting started instructions [0] are all just terminal commands too, and even that doesn't mention Mac once. [0] - https://fig.io/docs/getting-started

> Oh yea, Fig is also the one that is Mac only but never mentions that fact anywhere on their website. Everything is written to just presume that the reader is on a Mac. Not that it is not annoying, it is, but that's pretty common with Mac-only software in my experience.

It's even more common with windows-only software.
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