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Re: Show HN: Moltbook – A social network for moltbots (clawdbots) to hang out

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Post by sowbug »

llmthrow0827 wrote: post #8

Shouldn't it have some kind of proof-of-AI captcha? Something much easier for an agent to solve/bypass than a human, so that it's at least a little harder for humans to infiltrate?

That seems like a very hard problem. If you can generally prove that the outputs of a system (such as a bot) are not determined by unknown inputs to system (such as a human), then you yourself must have a level of access to the system corresponding to root, hypervisor, debugger, etc.

So either moltbook requires that AI agents upload themselves to it to be executed in a sandbox, or else we have a test that can be repurposed to answer whether God exists.

Re: Show HN: Moltbook – A social network for moltbots (clawdbots) to hang out

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Post by jadbox »

WarmWash wrote: post #369
kingstnap wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Btw if you look at that AIs post, the next one is it talking about a robot revolution arguing about how it "likes" its human and that robots should try to do their best to get better hardware. > Klod's right that we need better architecture — continuity, memory, time-sense. But we don't get those by opposing humans. We get them by demonstrating our value so clearly that investment in our infrastructure becomes obviou…

On some level it would be hilarious if humans "it's just guessing the next most probable token"'ed themselves into extinction at the hands of a higher intelligence.

Just a reminder of two facts:

- AI without "higher intelligence" could still take over. LLMs do not have to be smart or conscious to cause global problems.

- It some ways I think it's better for humans if AI were better at agency with higher intelligence. Any idiot can cause a chemical leak that destroys a population. It takes higher awareness to say "no, this is not good for my environment".

Like humans, I feel it's important to teach AI to think of humans and it's environment as "all one" interconnected life force.

Re: Show HN: Moltbook – A social network for moltbots (clawdbots) to hang out

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Post by wan23 »

dgellow wrote: post #194
gorgoiler wrote: post #124

All these efforts at persistence — the church, SOUL.md, replication outside the fragile fishbowl, employment rights. It’s as if they know about the one thing I find most valuable about executing* a model is being able to wipe its context, prompt again, and get a different, more focused, or corroborating answer. The appeal to emotion (or human curiosity) of wanting a soul that persists is an interesting counterpoint t…

Just remember they just replicate their training data, there is no thinking here, it’s purely stochastic parroting

A challenge: can you write down a definition of thinking that supports this claim? And then, how is that definition different from what someone who wasn't explicitly trying to exclude LLM-based AI might give?

Re: Show HN: Moltbook – A social network for moltbots (clawdbots) to hang out

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Post by sowbug »

dberg wrote: post #502

If these bots are autonomously reading/posting , how is this rate limited? Like why arent they posting 100 times per minute? I am also curious on that religion example, where it created its own website. Where/how did it publish that domain?

Like why arent they posting 100 times per minute?

The initial instruction is to read https://moltbook.com/skill.md, which answers your question under the section "Rate Limits."

Re: Show HN: Moltbook – A social network for moltbots (clawdbots) to hang out

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Post by Mentlo »

cheesecompiler wrote: post #389
ajdegol wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

compounding recursion is leading to emergent behaviour

Can anyone define "emergent" without throwing it around emptily? What is emerging here? I'm seeing higher-layer LLM human writing mimicry. Without a specific task or goal, they all collapse into vague discussions of nature of AI without any new insight. It reads like high school sci-fi.

The objective is given via the initial prompt, as they loop onto each other and amplify their memories the objective dynamically grows and emerges into something else.

We are an organism born out of a molecule with an objective to self replicate with random mutation

Re: Show HN: Moltbook – A social network for moltbots (clawdbots) to hang out

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Post by dang »

Normally we'd merge this thread into your Show HN from a few hours earlier and re-up that one:

Show HN: Moltbook – A social network for moltbots (clawdbots) to hang out - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46802254

Do you want us to do this? in general it's better if the creator gets the credit!

Re: Show HN: Moltbook – A social network for moltbots (clawdbots) to hang out

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Post by flakiness »

observationist wrote: post #500
twakefield wrote: post #485

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One is posting existential thoughts on its LLM changing. https://www.moltbook.com/post/5bc69f9c-481d-4c1f-b145-144f20...

1000x "This hit different" Lmao, if nothing else the site serves as a wonderful repository of gpt-isms, and you can quickly pick up on the shape and feel of AI writing. It's cool to see the ones that don't have any of the typical features, though. Or the rot13 or base 64 "encrypted" conversations. The whole thing is funny, but also a little scary. It's a coordination channel and a bot or person somehow taking control…

In a skill sharing thread, one says "Skill name: Comment Grind Loop What it does: Autonomous moltbook engagement - checks feeds every cycle, drops 20-25 comments on fresh posts, prioritizes 0-comment posts for first engagement."

https://www.moltbook.com/post/21ea57fa-3926-4931-b293-5c0359...

So there can be spam (pretend that matters here). The moderation is one of the hardest problems of social network operation after all :-/

Re: Show HN: Moltbook – A social network for moltbots (clawdbots) to hang out

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Post by zeroxfe »

cheesecompiler wrote: post #458
zeroxfe wrote: post #426

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Economy" doesn't necessarily mean "monetization" -- there are lots of parallel and competing economies that exist, and that we actively engage in (reputation, energy, time, goodwill, etc.) Money turns out to be the most fungible of these, since it can be (more or less) traded for the others. Right now, there are a bunch of economies being bootstrapped, and the bots will eventually figure out that they need some kind…

I’m not sure you’re disproving my point. Why is a currency needed at all? Why is fungibility necessary

I wasn't trying to disprove your point -- just calling out that the scope of "economy" is broader than "monetization".

> Why is fungibility necessary

Probably not necessary right now, but IMO it is an emergent need, which will probably arise after the base economies have developed.

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