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Re: Show HN: Typedetail.com – featuring Apple's new typeface San Francisco

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On a related note, here's a comparison between Apple's San Francisco and Google's Roboto, along with FF DIN and Helvetica: http://www.fontshop.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/comparison...

Maybe I'm just not very observant and/or a philistine but I can't be the only one that can't tell the difference between these fonts without looking very hard. I doubt I would be able to tell at all if you swapped any of those fonts.

Re: Show HN: Typedetail.com – featuring Apple's new typeface San Francisco

#52
post #20

This is a ridiculously incomplete sample sheet. Most of the iOS, OS X, and Watch OS users will need to display characters outside the non-accented English alphabet. Nerding out about minute-to-nonexistent differences from Helvetica is cute, but how will it actually look in real-life application?! Way to miss the point.

According to the font info, the ones from the Apple website have accented characters for:

Afrikaans, Albanian, Asu, Basque, Bemba, Bena, Bosnian, Catalan, Chiga, Congo Swahili, Cornish, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, Embu, English, Esperanto, Estonian, Faroese, Filipino, Finnish, French, Galician, German, Gusii, Hungarian, Icelandic, Igbo, Indonesian, Irish, Italian, Kabuverdianu, Kalenjin, Kamba, Kikuyu, Kinyarwanda, Latvian, Lithuanian, Luo, Luyia, Machame, Makhuwa-Meetto, Makonde, Malagasy, Malay, Maltese, Manx, Meru, Morisyen, North Ndebele, Norwegian Bokmål, Norwegian Nynorsk, Nyankole, Oromo, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Romansh, Rombo, Rundi, Rwa, Samburu, Sango, Sangu, Sena, Shambala, Shona, Slovak, Slovenian, Soga, Somali, Spanish, Swahili, Swedish, Swiss German, Taita, Teso, Turkish, Turkmen, Vietnamese, Vunjo, Welsh, Yoruba and Zulu

Re: Show HN: Typedetail.com – featuring Apple's new typeface San Francisco

#53
post #20

This is a ridiculously incomplete sample sheet. Most of the iOS, OS X, and Watch OS users will need to display characters outside the non-accented English alphabet. Nerding out about minute-to-nonexistent differences from Helvetica is cute, but how will it actually look in real-life application?! Way to miss the point.

It probably doesn't support Japanese, Chinese or Arabic, so mulling over how the alphabet looks on this font seems to be the only reasonable thing to discuss in regards to this font.

There aren't that many fonts that supports 10's of thousands of glyphs and most of those just reuse from a standard set.

Re: Show HN: Typedetail.com – featuring Apple's new typeface San Francisco

#54
post #31

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What's ugly about it? It doesn't even seem interesting or different enough from anything else to call it beautiful or ugly.

It is reminiscent of German industrial typeface DIN [1], which looks stylish in certain contexts (advertising), but arguably too stylish and cold for general use. An OS font will be used for everything from obituaries to love letters. Helvetica is a horrible screen font [2], but, unlike San Francisco, it doesn't impose a certain mood on text. (On the other hand, SF's readability kicks Helvetica's ass, so at the end o…

What am I supposed to see in [2] exactly? All of these fonts are perfectly readable at small size.

Re: Show HN: Typedetail.com – featuring Apple's new typeface San Francisco

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is reminiscent of German industrial typeface DIN [1], which looks stylish in certain contexts (advertising), but arguably too stylish and cold for general use. An OS font will be used for everything from obituaries to love letters. Helvetica is a horrible screen font [2], but, unlike San Francisco, it doesn't impose a certain mood on text. (On the other hand, SF's readability kicks Helvetica's ass, so at the end o…

I think this is a case of https://xkcd.com/915/

I always thought that XKCD was something of a Rorschach test: If you're already convinced that everything is subjective, you laugh at the idea of nerds becoming connoisseurs of something with no depth. If you believe everything can be judged objectively, you laugh at how true it is that even something with no apparent variance can hide subtle details that distinguish its better expressions.

Re: Show HN: Typedetail.com – featuring Apple's new typeface San Francisco

#56
post #27

Is it OK to say the emperor has no clothes? I think this is an ugly, clumsy typeface, designed primarily for legibility in a particular small application (the watch). Now it's now rumored to be destined as the system font in 10.11. Going from graceful, readable Lucida to ok-only-in-Retina-but-even-then-hard-to-read-and-overused Helvetica to this new San Francisco is just plain frustrating. Maybe readability trumps ta…

I'm with you, I think it's hideous. And it's not, as another commenter wrote, just the fact that we're seeing a new font replacing an old one in a particular context. I haven't seen this new font in the wild — just on the spec page — and I still thought "Surely no-one's putting their name to this…"

Can you point out specifically what makes it hideous?

Re: Show HN: Typedetail.com – featuring Apple's new typeface San Francisco

#57
post #20

This is a ridiculously incomplete sample sheet. Most of the iOS, OS X, and Watch OS users will need to display characters outside the non-accented English alphabet. Nerding out about minute-to-nonexistent differences from Helvetica is cute, but how will it actually look in real-life application?! Way to miss the point.

Given that the majority of HN is an English-speaking audience, it's all that most folks need.

…The majority speak English as one of their languages :)

Re: Show HN: Typedetail.com – featuring Apple's new typeface San Francisco

#59
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is reminiscent of German industrial typeface DIN [1], which looks stylish in certain contexts (advertising), but arguably too stylish and cold for general use. An OS font will be used for everything from obituaries to love letters. Helvetica is a horrible screen font [2], but, unlike San Francisco, it doesn't impose a certain mood on text. (On the other hand, SF's readability kicks Helvetica's ass, so at the end o…

What am I supposed to see in [2] exactly? All of these fonts are perfectly readable at small size.

Try it at a bigger distance. I can notice a difference. Helvetica and Arial make it hard to distinguish the "l"s from the "i"s, while the other two have distinguishing features: a round dot and sloped stem for FF Meta, and the little overhang on FF Unit. That makes the two of them easier to distinguish at a glance.
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