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Re: Show HN: My friends just built a Bitcoin casino

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I was saving the private URL's (e.g. http://bitino.com/uQWyylFetc... ) to go back to and withdraw my cash later. (My browser cookies clear upon exit). The pages show the correct bitcoin balance, but they're not letting me withdraw! It says I haven't played a game, so even when I go ahead and play another, it still says "You haven't played yet!" Could you fix this ASAP because I actually put a decent amount of money i…

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Re: Show HN: My friends just built a Bitcoin casino

#52
post #50

I was saving the private URL's (e.g. http://bitino.com/uQWyylFetc... ) to go back to and withdraw my cash later. (My browser cookies clear upon exit). The pages show the correct bitcoin balance, but they're not letting me withdraw! It says I haven't played a game, so even when I go ahead and play another, it still says "You haven't played yet!" Could you fix this ASAP because I actually put a decent amount of money i…

clearing your cookies may have caused the issue. send through here an address and we will process the withdrawal reply

Thanks for the reply!

There's actually a lot of them. Is there a way to just modify it so that I can withdraw using just the private URL? (Otherwise, I'll send another support email [from gummybean] with the addresses.)

Re: Show HN: My friends just built a Bitcoin casino

#53
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

clearing your cookies may have caused the issue. send through here an address and we will process the withdrawal reply

Thanks for the reply! There's actually a lot of them. Is there a way to just modify it so that I can withdraw using just the private URL? (Otherwise, I'll send another support email [from gummybean] with the addresses.)

we haven't received any emails from you - support@bitino.com will look into the private URL thing now and revert. You will get your BTC soon one way or another.

Re: Show HN: My friends just built a Bitcoin casino

#54
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the reply! There's actually a lot of them. Is there a way to just modify it so that I can withdraw using just the private URL? (Otherwise, I'll send another support email [from gummybean] with the addresses.)

we haven't received any emails from you - support@bitino.com will look into the private URL thing now and revert. You will get your BTC soon one way or another.

You haven't received an email? That's odd. Here's the message (as shown by Gmail -- all "Delivered-To" fields in the sent folder show my address since it's not the actual email you received):

    MIME-Version: 1.0
    Received: by 10.181.12.109 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Mar 2013 05:56:50 -0800 (PST)
    Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 08:56:50 -0500
    Delivered-To: gummybean@gmail.com
    Message-ID: 
    Subject: URGENT: Problem withdrawing from private URL!
    From: Gummybean 
    To: support@bitino.com
    Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04451a1f07ab6e04d6dd6126

    --f46d04451a1f07ab6e04d6dd6126
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

    Dear Bitino,

    I'm a little bit worried.  I was saving the URL's (here's one of mine:
    http://bitino.com/REMOVED/) to go back to and withdraw my cash
    later.  The page shows the correct bitcoin balance, but they're not letting
    me withdraw!  It says I haven't played a game, so even when I go ahead and
    play another round, it still says "You haven't played yet!"

    Could you fix this ASAP because I actually put a decent amount of money in
    this.

    Thanks,
    REMOVED

    --f46d04451a1f07ab6e04d6dd6126
    Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
    Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Dear Bitino,
I'm a little bit worried. =A0I wa= s saving the URL's (here's one of mine:=A0http://bitino.com/REMOVED/) to = go back to and withdraw my cash later. =A0The page shows the correct bitcoi= n balance, but they're not letting me withdraw! =A0It says I haven'= t played a game, so even when I go ahead and play another round, it still s= ays "You haven't played yet!"
Could you fix this ASAP because I actually put a decent amou= nt of money in this.
Thanks,REMOVED --f46d04451a1f07ab6e04d6dd6126--

Re: Show HN: My friends just built a Bitcoin casino

#55
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

we haven't received any emails from you - support@bitino.com will look into the private URL thing now and revert. You will get your BTC soon one way or another.

You haven't received an email? That's odd. Here's the message (as shown by Gmail -- all "Delivered-To" fields in the sent folder show my address since it's not the actual email you received): MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.181.12.109 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Mar 2013 05:56:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 08:56:50 -0500 Delivered-To: gummybean@gmail.com Message-ID: Subject: URGENT: Problem withdrawing from private UR…

bizarre, sorry about that.

Re: Show HN: My friends just built a Bitcoin casino

#56

"Bitino is a games company based in London." Then you are breaking the law. UK-based gambling companies have to ensure that customers are over 18. Running a gambling game that uses anonymous payments goes against this principle!

You could still do identity verification using either a 3rd party service, or by getting sight of ID documentation. (Certified copies of passports posted out, for instance. Sounds mad, I know, but I worked at a gaming start up and we had to do that for some customers!) In fact, you'll have to do that ANYWAY to be compliant, regardless of the method you use to fund accounts.

True, although by the time you've signed up and proven ID, you've lost the 'spontaneous' appeal of the site (making it quick and easy to have a bet). I guess the site still has the advantage of low-cost money transfers and no risk of chargebacks, so bitcoins may have a use here.

I wonder if it is possible to use bitcoins and comply with the UK gambling restrictions against money laundering? At first glance, it looks impossible, bitcoins being (supposedly) untraceable. However, you might be able to comply if you insist that winnings are always paid back to the same bitcoin wallet that they came from. The justification here being that your website won't have 'washed' the money any further than it was already laundered.

Re: Show HN: My friends just built a Bitcoin casino

#57
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

we haven't received any emails from you - support@bitino.com will look into the private URL thing now and revert. You will get your BTC soon one way or another.

You haven't received an email? That's odd. Here's the message (as shown by Gmail -- all "Delivered-To" fields in the sent folder show my address since it's not the actual email you received): MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.181.12.109 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Mar 2013 05:56:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 08:56:50 -0500 Delivered-To: gummybean@gmail.com Message-ID: Subject: URGENT: Problem withdrawing from private UR…

Text email shows your bitino URL (href)- suggest your edit/remove it as well.

Re: Show HN: My friends just built a Bitcoin casino

#58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could still do identity verification using either a 3rd party service, or by getting sight of ID documentation. (Certified copies of passports posted out, for instance. Sounds mad, I know, but I worked at a gaming start up and we had to do that for some customers!) In fact, you'll have to do that ANYWAY to be compliant, regardless of the method you use to fund accounts.

True, although by the time you've signed up and proven ID, you've lost the 'spontaneous' appeal of the site (making it quick and easy to have a bet). I guess the site still has the advantage of low-cost money transfers and no risk of chargebacks, so bitcoins may have a use here. I wonder if it is possible to use bitcoins and comply with the UK gambling restrictions against money laundering? At first glance, it looks…

Limiting the 'spontaneous' gambling is part of what you have to do to comply with Gaming Commission rules - you have to include ways to limit the amount of money deposited or gambled, and you have to provide a mechanism to self-exclude, or ban yourself from playing.

I'm more interested to see if these guys get shut down or if the Gaming Commission would turn a blind eye. I notice no available contact details on the site or domain name registration. (Good for avoiding the law, bad for making me trust you with my money.)

Re: Show HN: My friends just built a Bitcoin casino

#59
post #8

I don't really understand why "provably fair" would be so big deal. The house is winning always, no matter what. But I don't gamble myself, so perhaps I don't uderstand that world that well.

Provably fair means the shuffle and order of the cards are verifiably random and also that they cant be changed once the game has started. Provably fair means you know exactly what you are dealing with before you start. Game payout odds are clearly displayed in the payout table.

I know what probably fair means, just that I don't understand why it would be so big deal. Why would the casinos cheat if the probabilities are on their side in every case?

Re: Show HN: My friends just built a Bitcoin casino

#60
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You haven't received an email? That's odd. Here's the message (as shown by Gmail -- all "Delivered-To" fields in the sent folder show my address since it's not the actual email you received): MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.181.12.109 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Mar 2013 05:56:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 08:56:50 -0500 Delivered-To: gummybean@gmail.com Message-ID: Subject: URGENT: Problem withdrawing from private UR…

bizarre, sorry about that.

So... to be clear, are you all going to change it so that you only need the private URL to withdraw funds (no cookies), or do I need to email support to get my BTC back?

Thanks

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