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Show HN: Make senders work to get into your inbox

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Re: Show HN: Make senders work to get into your inbox

#51

Interesting idea, one thing that genuinely confused me on the website it the slider on the pricing section, what does that mean ? Sorry if it's obvious but it didn't make sense to me!

you can pay what you want for the service, including 0 dollars for a lifetime access :)

Re: Show HN: Make senders work to get into your inbox

#52
I like the idea of trying to make email more about human-to-human connection with less focus on automated-stuff-to-human.

The bit I don't understand, is what about where you need the automated-stuff-to-human, like, authenticating a new account? Would this just block those types of emails? Is the expectation if you used this, that you'd have seperate emails for contacting people vs accessing online services?

Re: Show HN: Make senders work to get into your inbox

#53
post #3

This mostly assumes that the only one benefiting from the email exchange in the sender. If that's the case, just close your email account. A few years ago I emailed a local freelancer I'd met in person, because I had a client asking for coding (which was more his bag than mine). I got an automated response that he was using something like this, with a link to some third party service to fill out a form and click a ca…

I always liked the idea of a micro-deposit that the sender puts up for each email (say $0.001). If the recipient blocks your email and it ends up in their spam folder then you lose your deposit; if they read it then you get your deposit back.

The lost deposits would then be used to pay for the infrastructure.

Re: Show HN: Make senders work to get into your inbox

#54
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I imagine the point is that if you make the price high enough, the ones who don't want it enough will go away, and the ones that do will want it enough that it's worth your while. You can set the price to whatever threshold is high enough that you'd find the money worthwhile.

That ignores the entire set of people who are not contacting you to get something out of you but rather to help you or for any number of social purposes. Those will be priced out much faster than dedicated spammers - most of them by any amount above $0.

I don't necessarily disagree, but that seems like literally the opposite of the objection that I was actually responding to. My point wasn't that this idea is infallible, but that I thought there was a flaw in the logic of the one specific objection that I chose to reply to.

Re: Show HN: Make senders work to get into your inbox

#55

Interesting idea, one thing that genuinely confused me on the website it the slider on the pricing section, what does that mean ? Sorry if it's obvious but it didn't make sense to me!

you can pay what you want for the service, including 0 dollars for a lifetime access :)

Oh okay :)

That makes sense now, you could also try something that gumroad does

"name a fair price" and let the user select or slide!

Re: Show HN: Make senders work to get into your inbox

#56

I like the idea of trying to make email more about human-to-human connection with less focus on automated-stuff-to-human. The bit I don't understand, is what about where you need the automated-stuff-to-human, like, authenticating a new account? Would this just block those types of emails? Is the expectation if you used this, that you'd have seperate emails for contacting people vs accessing online services?

for new sign ups that would indeed make it difficult. The tool checks what senders have sent you transactional looking emails and puts them on a whitelist.

if you sign up to a new service you would have to look into your archive for the sign up email.

Re: Show HN: Make senders work to get into your inbox

#57
post #11

Hi Felix, I know the situation here in Germany kinda sucks for non-incorporated founders (or simply any website administrator trying to commercialize anything [0]), but gating imprint/Impressum behind a login wall makes it not legally compliant. It needs to be easily accessible from anywhere (that’s why most people place it in the footer), without auth or signup; and if you put it behind either Outlook or Gmail login…

good point! will adjust :)

Glad to hear!

By the way, I never got a chance to thank you: The fireside you held at CDTM InnoLabs (I believe early 2024 was when I attended?) completely changed my thinking on direct air capture/DACCS and, to be frank, on carbon credits in general. Thanks!

Re: Show HN: Make senders work to get into your inbox

#58
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

good point! will adjust :)

Glad to hear! By the way, I never got a chance to thank you: The fireside you held at CDTM InnoLabs (I believe early 2024 was when I attended?) completely changed my thinking on direct air capture/DACCS and, to be frank, on carbon credits in general. Thanks!

I am glad to hear! :)

Re: Show HN: Make senders work to get into your inbox

#59
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also realised a while ago that most emails are just transactional now (password resets, how well did we do the thing you paid us to do?), so I do similar to you without the sender input and it more or less works. Breaks down like this: - Nobody gets into my inbox unless whitelisted address. Instead of fighting spam and blacklisting, I know my inbox is always from someone I want to hear from. - Every other email goe…

this sounds really similar to how the tool works and processes emails, too. Would you feel this would be more helpful if the tool just silently manages the emails and does not send any replies to the original sender then?

The paradox is that the person most likely to do extra work is the person you want to hear from least. If someone felt the need to pay (for example) $5,000 to talk to me, it's probably because they don't feel they have a chance of getting my attention otherwise. I'd also never pay someone 5 grand if I'm the one offering them something.

A Captcha isn't 5 grand, but I think the same principle applies. If I'm putting a request for proposal to 10 vendors, I'll probably disqualify the one that makes me verify that I'm a human. It's not like I'm short of qualified companies.

Re: Show HN: Make senders work to get into your inbox

#60
post #34

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valid point. I feel for many people the amount of inbound is just not bearable anymore with ai. Yet these people cannot close their account, either. This is basically an idea to increase the inbound friction for exactly these people. do you have a take on how one could upp the relevancy of emails so that people can actually manage their inbound? Or any other open channel that is getting flooded, for that matter?

Easy, set a filter with only contacts get through, everything else lands on junk. Every now and then update the contacts with key emails that might have been lost. Working quite fine since 2000's.

It's hard to say whether you're missing out on legit emails from new senders or old senders with new addresses unless you review your spam folder regularly.
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