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Re: Show HN: We missed Winamp, so we built an audio player for macOS

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Post by tomjakubowski »

Demiurge wrote: post #26
2III7 wrote: post #20

What's wrong with foobar2000? Used to be one of the best music players and you could infinitely customize it.

I actually prefer VLC to foobar2000. However, I still prefer classic Winamp to to all other music players, and I wish I could get Apple Music work in the same interface. I like 100% of the classic Winamp player UI/UX. - I like the separate player, playlist, EQ windows. - I like that I can re-arrange the windows, and resize the playlist separately. - I like that the main player has a little EQ built in. - I like the l…

Apple has MusicKit now. In theory you can build whatever (Mac or iOS) app skin you want on your Apple Music subscription.

https://developer.apple.com/musickit/

Re: Show HN: We missed Winamp, so we built an audio player for macOS

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Post by surganov »

huhtenberg wrote: post #4
taffydavid wrote: post #3

I see little to no information on whether or not it really whips the llama's ass

At 26MB setup package it most likely doesn't.

We tried to keep it as lean as possible. MacOS itself adds quite a bit, and then there are libraries for format decoding, audio streaming, VST support, etc. Could it be smaller? Probably – but not by an order of magnitude.

Re: Show HN: We missed Winamp, so we built an audio player for macOS

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Post by surganov »

lschueller wrote: post #39

The Buy button is kinda signaling, that they don't understand, what Winamp and this whole time was about... New tools with a frenetic mdding scene behind it, max customization, no tutorials, but digging through every file to see what you can change, bulky windows, which all needed to be arranged aside, like browser, napster, icq, winamp, your cs server chat in a thick browser.

I miss these times too. And I’d like to remind you that Winamp used to be a $10 shareware app (that’s roughly $30 in today’s dollars). The first version of Winamp didn't have any windows, it was pure utility application. Do you still think there's value in "max customization"?

Re: Show HN: We missed Winamp, so we built an audio player for macOS

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Post by surganov »

cybercatgurrl wrote: post #56

does it support exclusive mode?

What for? It's just streaming audio chunks with Core Audio that you cannot bypass. Even if there's resampling of 44.1khz to 48khz (Mac's default nowadays), it's not audible. Bit by bit perfection matters when you do a lot of processing, like in the context of a DAW or sound plugins, but not so much in the listening context. DA (digital-to-analog) end-chain matters much more – the actual audio interface and speakers, where all file-to-sound-wave reconstruction magic happens.

Re: Show HN: We missed Winamp, so we built an audio player for macOS

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Post by surganov »

2III7 wrote: post #20

What's wrong with foobar2000? Used to be one of the best music players and you could infinitely customize it.

For me personally, the main reason to use foobar2000 back then was FLAC support, which Winamp didn’t have at the time. Out of nostalgia, I downloaded foobar again not too long ago, but I just couldn’t get into it – it doesn’t really jive with me anymore. I wouldn’t have tried to build a new audio player if I felt there were better alternatives already out there, but personally I couldn’t find one. Cheers.

Re: Show HN: We missed Winamp, so we built an audio player for macOS

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Post by surganov »

sethops1 wrote: post #6

Call me crazy but iTunes/Music has always been one of the things I like most about macOS, at least after going through the settings and disabling all the features trying to push you into a subscription. I still manage my own ~500 file mp3 collection instead of paying monthly.

I used iTunes for a long time with a library of around 1,000 albums. If you weren’t too lazy to add proper covers and ID3 tags, it was actually pretty enjoyable to use – especially together with an iPod. But the problem is that iTunes imposes a very “flat” structure on your library, while for some collections a hierarchical folder/subfolder/file structure just works much better. Not to mention that you can keep all kinds of related files alongside the music itself – booklet scans, lyrics, interviews, links, PDFs, and so on.

Re: Show HN: We missed Winamp, so we built an audio player for macOS

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Post by surganov »

VladVladikoff wrote: post #7

Cool. Now please make it support skins that aren’t rectangular. https://warped3.substack.com/p/direct-win32-api-weird-shaped...

I remember using that "green head" Windows Media Player. It's fun for like five minutes, then you get back to the default, but maybe that's just me. But we definitely need more "weird shaped" apps, that's for sure.
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