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Show HN: Rocky – Rust SQL engine with branches, replay, column lineage

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Re: Show HN: Rocky – Rust SQL engine with branches, replay, column lineage

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Post by hugocorreia90 »

jtagliabuetooso wrote: post #49
hugocorreia90 wrote: post #47

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Hey jtagliabuetooso! Absolutely, the idea isn't new. Rocky's bet is on the shipped implementation. I'll read your paper, thank you for sharing.

“Why it’s distinctive” is misleading (perhaps LLM-generated)? Imo, we cite other work because it puts our work in context for experts and beginners alike; because it makes clear that we all stand on someone else’s shoulders (progress is, most of the time, a collective endeavor, not a lone-genius affair); because it is intellectually honest to acknowledge our debts. Especially today, when putting research ideas out th…

I hadn't come across Bauplan or your work before today's thread. Looks like a few of us are landing on branches/replay/lineage from different angles (like yours Iceberg-native, mine warehouse-delegated). I will spend proper time with the paper and Bauplan.

Re: Show HN: Rocky – Rust SQL engine with branches, replay, column lineage

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Post by hugocorreia90 »

jtagliabuetooso wrote: post #50
hugocorreia90 wrote: post #48

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Hey jtagliabuetooso! Rocky is SQL-first instead of Python-first, and that was a deliberate scope choice. Also, Rocky acts as control plane that delegates compute to the warehouse (Databricks, etc) rather than owning the runtime. I don't have a strong use-case for nested branches, so no, that's not a feature Rocky has of today. I'll read the paper, thank you for sharing.

How is the Git semantics of merge, rebase and diff defined in the system?

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Re: Show HN: Rocky – Rust SQL engine with branches, replay, column lineage

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Post by nonameiguess »

hugocorreia90 wrote: post #34
DoctorOW wrote: post #21

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> I'd rather hear "the code is bad" than "the post sounds AI-written". Of course you would. Reading through and judging the quality of AI output is the largest amount of effort in a world where you can get everything else by prompting. Please internalize this: If you want to be respected you will have to put in effort yourself. There is no way around this.

I truly appreciate your feedback and it's definitely a lesson learned for me. As I said to cmrdporcupine, "The only reason for passing my replies through AI was just because it's my first time posting here and opening a side-project of mine publicly. " All the engine architecture decisions are mine though and this project came up to solve a real problem in a data pipeline that serves multiple clients, connectors, pro…

I'm late to the party, but there is a dilemma that seems to be facing poor English speakers and writers that I think is a bit imagined, and using LLMs to cover your weakness with the language hurts the public perception of you. There was an article posted last year about East African contractors who were used to do the RLHF post-training for early frontier models, saying LLM speak was really just the way Africans speak English. I don't think that's entirely correct, because frankly, after several decades of working with international teams, I think it's the way a lot of non-Anglophone English speakers speak.

It comes across as both childish and overly formal at the same time. Affected, too excited. It's the guy that says "Hi name!" on Slack and then waits for you to respond, instead of just saying what they actually wanted to say. You're responding to everyone here with some variant of "thank you, I appreciate it." That just isn't the way people speak to each other in normal conversation. It's the way a consultant speaks to you when you're being told you're being laid off and your own manager is too cowardly to deliver the news personally. Sandwich the real point between effusion and praise, when all we actually want is the real point. It feels patronizing, like we're being spoken down to. It's the way politicians and CEOs speak, every word prepared by committee, nothing genuine.

It's all the worse knowing this isn't even you and we're being patronized and spoken down to by a marketing bot you're delegating communication to.

Re: Show HN: Rocky – Rust SQL engine with branches, replay, column lineage

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ModernMech wrote: post #20
FrustratedMonky wrote: post #19

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"Yeah, fair pushback" Really hard to tell. Because that used to be a common phrase that real people would use. So now I have to change my own language in order to not appear like I'm an AI? We are getting in a weird place where Humans have to act/sound increasingly 'odd', to appear not 'perfect' like an AI.

It's really not hard to tell. It's the "How do you do fellow kids" of AI-isms. The presence of "fair pushback" and a single em dash reads as 99% AI generated as far as I am concerned. Yes, if you don't want to sound like you're cargo culting AI, you do have to change the way you talk because people aren't going to care otherwise. At the very least just because it's boring. That's always been the nature of slang and l…

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Re: Show HN: Rocky – Rust SQL engine with branches, replay, column lineage

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Post by hugocorreia90 »

nonameiguess wrote: post #53
hugocorreia90 wrote: post #34

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I truly appreciate your feedback and it's definitely a lesson learned for me. As I said to cmrdporcupine, "The only reason for passing my replies through AI was just because it's my first time posting here and opening a side-project of mine publicly. " All the engine architecture decisions are mine though and this project came up to solve a real problem in a data pipeline that serves multiple clients, connectors, pro…

I'm late to the party, but there is a dilemma that seems to be facing poor English speakers and writers that I think is a bit imagined, and using LLMs to cover your weakness with the language hurts the public perception of you. There was an article posted last year about East African contractors who were used to do the RLHF post-training for early frontier models, saying LLM speak was really just the way Africans spe…

Yes, I can see you're a bit late indeed. Several replies ago I have already acknowledged that I used LLM for the initial post and initial replies.

I use AI everyday, for different purposes, fixing my English when I feel I need, brainstorming, automate tasks, getting ideas for dinner, asking things I don't know about raising a 1 year old boy, eck even finance stuff. And to be honest, I'm quite pleased about it and see no shame on it. I'm no salesperson, nor I have a grasp at marketing, nor I'm used to promote my work. With this thread in HN, (which was a suggestion by LLM! :D), I just wanted to share what I built a let others use it, regardless of typing each character or not, or using LLM, or using smoke signals.

But one thing I cannot avoid, is being polite and friendly because that is who I am when speaking in my native language or in English with my peers. So, saying "Hey" and "Hi", "I appreciate" and "thank you", is part of my day to day.

I didn't know about the article you mentioned but thanks for letting me know. :)

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