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Re: Show HN: Wildex – Pokémon Go for real wildlife

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

(semi serious) are there any ways to distinguish photos from being taken up close with no barrier vs behind plexiglass in a zoo?

I don’t think you’d want to solve for plexiglass since not all zoos have that but you could just cluster sightings and if you have 1000 sightings in a very particular location it wouldn’t be hard to identify.

was just hoping for a random vision expert to come along and tell me this is solved in some model lol

Re: Show HN: Wildex – Pokémon Go for real wildlife

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I mostly use iNaturalist for foraging mushrooms, and have found it’s somewhat unreliable unless I already have an idea of what I’m looking for. How is this app set up for mushroom IDs? Sounds really fun and I love the concept but given some mushrooms are quite dangerous correct IDs are vital. I assume this also applies to plants?

Mushrooms, mosses, invertebrates and even some plants seem to rely on specific small features that aren't always captured in photos of the thing to identify accurately down to the species level.

I'm using a national app, probably tuned on national data, so your mileage may vary, but my experience has been good: the app sees different and more nebulous features than what I have been trained to see by the mushroom experts at our foraging association. I never eat anything based on the app only obviously, but I often get more specific IDs, which usually seems right when I look up the mushroom it suggests.

Russulas, for instance: in my country, there are no poisonous ones, but there are at least 90 varieties and experts will often need DNA analysis to place them confidently. The procedure for determining edibility recommended by the foraging association is, once you're certain it's a Russula, to taste a small piece and spit it out. If it has a burning sharp taste, it's not food.

The app has been very good at predicting whether I'll experience that burning sensation, and all from signs that are invisible to systematic description (I won't rule out that an expert can also spot subtle differences between a sharp green russula and an edible green russula, but they probably wouldn't be able to describe it).

Re: Show HN: Wildex – Pokémon Go for real wildlife

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Consider just doing dropping the global leader board. Who benefits from it? For most, it’s a passing curiosity. But for some, it’ll be an obsession which ends up endangering them, animals/plants, and others. These kinds of contents can encourage someone who may not tromp through a delicate bog normally to decide to step off the boardwalk and recklessly go get that picture for the app points. And for 99% of the world, it’s just an additional screen with no chance of being relevant.

Re: Show HN: Wildex – Pokémon Go for real wildlife

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Consider just doing dropping the global leader board. Who benefits from it? For most, it’s a passing curiosity. But for some, it’ll be an obsession which ends up endangering them, animals/plants, and others. These kinds of contents can encourage someone who may not tromp through a delicate bog normally to decide to step off the boardwalk and recklessly go get that picture for the app points. And for 99% of the world, it’s just an additional screen with no chance of being relevant.

Replace it with a leaderboard amongst phone contacts/friended users

Re: Show HN: Wildex – Pokémon Go for real wildlife

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Please do not build apps that allow people to specify the locations of wild animals, even in parks. Poaching remains at extremely dangerous levels, and every wildlife park I know of in vulnerable areas specifically asks visitors not to use those kinds of apps or groups because it gives location information to poachers.

Some wildlife parks have ‘daily sightings’ maps at rest stops and lodges, but those are monitored by park officials who remove the most at-risk animals and are cleared at least daily.

Aside from that, apps like this encourage bad behaviour from visitors in parks that allow self-driving, as dozens of people rush to the next leopard, lion, etc sighting. That not only creates its own risks but ruins the experience for everyone else.

In short, don’t do this.

Re: Show HN: Wildex – Pokémon Go for real wildlife

#57

Why not Seek, the gamified version of iNaturalist?

Seek already does exactly the same thing that this app store listing advertises. You aim your camera at something, Seek identifies it as a random species, and then you get credit for that species against a big database.

People like it, but I also don't see why you'd need two Seek apps. You don't really need one, without an actual method of identifying the organisms.

Re: Show HN: Wildex – Pokémon Go for real wildlife

#58

I mostly use iNaturalist for foraging mushrooms, and have found it’s somewhat unreliable unless I already have an idea of what I’m looking for. How is this app set up for mushroom IDs? Sounds really fun and I love the concept but given some mushrooms are quite dangerous correct IDs are vital. I assume this also applies to plants?

> I mostly use iNaturalist for foraging mushrooms, and have found it’s somewhat unreliable

iNaturalist or Seek by iNaturalist? I didn't think iNaturalist had an identification method other than "wait for an expert to come along and tag your photo".

Seek, on the other hand, is happy to make up identifications itself.

Re: Show HN: Wildex – Pokémon Go for real wildlife

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post #56

Please do not build apps that allow people to specify the locations of wild animals, even in parks. Poaching remains at extremely dangerous levels, and every wildlife park I know of in vulnerable areas specifically asks visitors not to use those kinds of apps or groups because it gives location information to poachers. Some wildlife parks have ‘daily sightings’ maps at rest stops and lodges, but those are monitored b…

So what you’re saying is technology can be abused by bad actors and the solution is.. stop developing technology?

Good luck with that.

Re: Show HN: Wildex – Pokémon Go for real wildlife

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post #56

Please do not build apps that allow people to specify the locations of wild animals, even in parks. Poaching remains at extremely dangerous levels, and every wildlife park I know of in vulnerable areas specifically asks visitors not to use those kinds of apps or groups because it gives location information to poachers. Some wildlife parks have ‘daily sightings’ maps at rest stops and lodges, but those are monitored b…

So what you’re saying is technology can be abused by bad actors and the solution is.. stop developing technology? Good luck with that.

Asking people to not use or develop specific types of apps is not asking for a stop to technological progress.

Developing and using apps like this is a choice, there’s no inherent force propelling them into existence other than people thinking it’s a good idea. I’m explaining why it’s not a good idea.

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