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Re: Show HN: A Daily Bible Game

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publicdebates wrote: post #31
barbazoo wrote: post #19

> Do not trust in a friend; Do not put your confidence in a companion; Guard the doors of your mouth From her who lies in your bosom. For son dishonors father, Daughter rises against her mother, Daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; A man’s enemies are the men of his own household. Therefore I will look to the Lord; I will wait for the God of my salvation; My God will hear me. Yikes, got a fun one right away. Th…

It's related to John 2:23-25. He's not saying you should not have friends or trust anyone. He's saying you should not seek or hope anything from humans that only God can actually provide. It's related to codependence and similar character flaws. I think even atheists would agree that it's not healthy to want the objective approval and validation of inconstant people with imperfect judgment.

> He's saying you should not seek or hope anything from humans that only God can actually provide.

What is it that only the god can provide?

Re: Show HN: A Daily Bible Game

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Post by publicdebates »

barbazoo wrote: post #51
publicdebates wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's related to John 2:23-25. He's not saying you should not have friends or trust anyone. He's saying you should not seek or hope anything from humans that only God can actually provide. It's related to codependence and similar character flaws. I think even atheists would agree that it's not healthy to want the objective approval and validation of inconstant people with imperfect judgment.

> He's saying you should not seek or hope anything from humans that only God can actually provide. What is it that only the god can provide?

Absolutely objective values, rights, morals, principles, goals, means, and sustenance.

Source: the Our Father prayer

Re: Show HN: A Daily Bible Game

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Post by egglemonsoup »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #50

This being flagged (presumably because it's "religious"?) seems incredibly short-sighted. Like flagging a "guess the US president" as being too political.

Thank you. I was overjoyed at the initial response and surprised and disheartened to see it get flagged. I emailed HN's moderators to get clarification and see if there's anything I could have done better.

Re: Show HN: A Daily Bible Game

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Post by cogman10 »

graemep wrote: post #46
YY4398427 wrote: post #23

Tangentially related, but is there a good open source ePub of the versions of the Bible? Standard eBooks doesn't have the Bible in their library, bizarrely.

KJV is beautiful and out of copyright so free to download (except technically in the UK where the original monopoly is in force) but not a great translation in terms of accuracy compared to more modern ones. It also, of course, only contains the protestant canon. There are more free translations. Not knowledgeable enough to recommend one. Mostly there is no significant difference, but of course there are passages and…

I grew up on the KJV, but it really is a bad translation. It injects a lot into the text and has bad sources vs modern translations.

The new king james translation is better. As is NIV.

If you are really up for studying the bible, then you can't do much better than getting the Oxford annotated bible (which is based on the NRSV). That has all the footnotes pointing out translation choices and giving historic context to passages based on the current best biblical research.

Re: Show HN: A Daily Bible Game

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Post by barbazoo »

publicdebates wrote: post #52
barbazoo wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He's saying you should not seek or hope anything from humans that only God can actually provide. What is it that only the god can provide?

Absolutely objective values, rights, morals, principles, goals, means, and sustenance. Source: the Our Father prayer

Thank you!

Not having read the bible the words sounds so specific and strong.

> Do not trust in a friend; Do not put your confidence in a companion; ... For son dishonors father, Daughter rises against her mother, ... A man’s enemies are the men of his own household.

I guess you have to read the whole thing to imagine the context in which this won't, even accidentally, be interpreted literally. I'm not judging or anything, genuinely curious, obviously these are historical texts from a certain time in history. That's why I'm so curious about the value people see in reading them over and over again in the current times.

Re: Show HN: A Daily Bible Game

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Post by tshaddox »

publicdebates wrote: post #52
barbazoo wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He's saying you should not seek or hope anything from humans that only God can actually provide. What is it that only the god can provide?

Absolutely objective values, rights, morals, principles, goals, means, and sustenance. Source: the Our Father prayer

Presumably there are a lot of atheists who do believe all three of these things:

1. God does not exist.

2. Objective ethics do exist.

3. Objective ethics do not come directly from the mandate of a friend, a companion, or another human.

Re: Show HN: A Daily Bible Game

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Post by cap11235 »

cogman10 wrote: post #54
graemep wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

KJV is beautiful and out of copyright so free to download (except technically in the UK where the original monopoly is in force) but not a great translation in terms of accuracy compared to more modern ones. It also, of course, only contains the protestant canon. There are more free translations. Not knowledgeable enough to recommend one. Mostly there is no significant difference, but of course there are passages and…

I grew up on the KJV, but it really is a bad translation. It injects a lot into the text and has bad sources vs modern translations. The new king james translation is better. As is NIV. If you are really up for studying the bible, then you can't do much better than getting the Oxford annotated bible (which is based on the NRSV). That has all the footnotes pointing out translation choices and giving historic context t…

Favorite part of NRSV is when you get slap fights in the footnotes.

Re: Show HN: A Daily Bible Game

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Post by publicdebates »

tshaddox wrote: post #56
publicdebates wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely objective values, rights, morals, principles, goals, means, and sustenance. Source: the Our Father prayer

Presumably there are a lot of atheists who do believe all three of these things: 1. God does not exist. 2. Objective ethics do exist. 3. Objective ethics do not come directly from the mandate of a friend, a companion, or another human.

Even if so, that only answers the "morals" part of what I listed.

Where for example do they derive absolutely objective goals from?

Re: Show HN: A Daily Bible Game

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Post by publicdebates »

barbazoo wrote: post #55
publicdebates wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely objective values, rights, morals, principles, goals, means, and sustenance. Source: the Our Father prayer

Thank you! Not having read the bible the words sounds so specific and strong. > Do not trust in a friend; Do not put your confidence in a companion; ... For son dishonors father, Daughter rises against her mother, ... A man’s enemies are the men of his own household. I guess you have to read the whole thing to imagine the context in which this won't, even accidentally, be interpreted literally. I'm not judging or any…

You can almost consider the Bible like a puzzle or riddle, that you have to solve using the entirety of it, as well as historical context, extrabiblical writings, personal life experience, and a humble and pure intent.

Re: Show HN: A Daily Bible Game

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Post by barbazoo »

publicdebates wrote: post #58
tshaddox wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably there are a lot of atheists who do believe all three of these things: 1. God does not exist. 2. Objective ethics do exist. 3. Objective ethics do not come directly from the mandate of a friend, a companion, or another human.

Even if so, that only answers the "morals" part of what I listed. Where for example do they derive absolutely objective goals from?

> goals, means, and sustenance

Surely not sustenance in the sense of food so I presume it's what we usually call meaning? People might get it from whatever fulfills them. For many it's giving back to the community in some way. It's not something I was told, more something that feels right and would scale well if everyone did it.

What are absolutely objective goals here? Are we talking about what do I want to be true at the end of my life? Staying healthy, looking back when you're old and not regretting a lot, being part of and respected by your community, those things. What would be a goal that God would suggest one works toward in this context. Can you relate that to what you have in mind?

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