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Re: Show HN: Geofenced chat communities anyone can create

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Post by clarencehoward »

clarencehoward wrote: post #40

You should be able to accept the TOS on mobile now - although if your screen is really small it may be hard to actually read it, still working on that. Honestly I'm pretty embarrassed that I missed that. The TOS was the last thing I added late last night before making the post and I didn't check how it worked on mobile. Thanks for all the feedback so far! It has been very helpful.

Well, now I'm even more embarrassed. I left some local variables in when I pushed the fix this morning and the site was blocked CORS for about an hour. This is why you don't push to prod when you're in a rush and half asleep. Thanks for letting me know.

Re: Show HN: Geofenced chat communities anyone can create

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Post by clarencehoward »

stavros wrote: post #28

I was interested in trying this, but the UI is like pulling teeth. I couldn't accept the ToS because the checkbox was under the terms box, and had to tap very carefully. Then I tried to create a Hub, but couldn't figure out how to get it to accept my drawing (there's no "done" button, only "cancel", even though the polygon I want is right there). After a few frustrating tries, I went back and noticed that I need to c…

Thanks for the feedback! I increased the max size from 125 hectares to 5000 hectares. I had some debate about what would be a good max size, not so large that it takes up a whole city, but also not so small that few people can join it. For some reason which I can no longer remember I landed on 125 hectares.

It is probably too small, but for now I just want to make it easy to use. At the default zoom level 125 hectares is tiny and I am not surprised it was hard to make something small enough. I just got so used to the way it worked when I was testing I would immediately zoom in without noticing.

It will not save your hub unless you're logged in. The logic was that since someone needed to be an admin, they needed to be logged in. I should probably find a work around for that for now while I am just trying to get people to test it out. No one wants to give their email to some random site.

I am going to work on making the hub drawing more intuitive. It should really have a done button.

Thanks for giving it a try.

Re: Show HN: Geofenced chat communities anyone can create

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Post by lukan »

aatd86 wrote: post #48
arccy wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to tell you is a truth and a perfectly safe answer

That doesn't answer my question though :D You can either lie outwardly or by omission. xD

It did answer your question. One can also refuse a answer - that is not lying, neither by omission or anything else.

Re: Show HN: Geofenced chat communities anyone can create

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Post by aatd86 »

lukan wrote: post #53
aatd86 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't answer my question though :D You can either lie outwardly or by omission. xD

It did answer your question. One can also refuse a answer - that is not lying, neither by omission or anything else.

Ok so it was tongue-in-cheek if not obvious but thanks whoever for the downvote. Then a bit more serious... There might be even better examples but let's consider that someone is part of a community that can use what is considered a slur, depending on context, or a term of endearment, depending on context and who uses it etc... If someone else uses it but fails to disclose their appartenance to said group. When asked, they can refuse to disclose it.

Is it fair to get them banned from the community? Can we consider that they might be lying by omission? After all they didn't answer and they might pass themselves as part of a community.

There are also colloquial considerations in online interactions that might be taken into account.

This is not really what I was veering toward initially but simply as a way to bring some more nuance since humor doesn't work here apparently.

This is the sort of things we see on twitter/X etc. You can't force people to speak differently, you can't force people to disclose information they would not want to disclose, but you may want to have some sort of policy to rule these kind of issues.

Re: Show HN: Geofenced chat communities anyone can create

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Post by stavros »

clarencehoward wrote: post #52
stavros wrote: post #28

I was interested in trying this, but the UI is like pulling teeth. I couldn't accept the ToS because the checkbox was under the terms box, and had to tap very carefully. Then I tried to create a Hub, but couldn't figure out how to get it to accept my drawing (there's no "done" button, only "cancel", even though the polygon I want is right there). After a few frustrating tries, I went back and noticed that I need to c…

Thanks for the feedback! I increased the max size from 125 hectares to 5000 hectares. I had some debate about what would be a good max size, not so large that it takes up a whole city, but also not so small that few people can join it. For some reason which I can no longer remember I landed on 125 hectares. It is probably too small, but for now I just want to make it easy to use. At the default zoom level 125 hectare…

Yep, these decisions are perfectly understandable, it's just that I need to know what's happening and why I can't do certain things. Drawing blindly only to be told that your area is 126 hectares, for example, is frustrating.

It's good that you increased the area for now, because there's no way that I find anyone on there in what's basically the size of a neighbourhood. Maybe you could reduce it if it gets more popular?

Re: Show HN: Geofenced chat communities anyone can create

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Post by lukan »

aatd86 wrote: post #55
lukan wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It did answer your question. One can also refuse a answer - that is not lying, neither by omission or anything else.

Ok so it was tongue-in-cheek if not obvious but thanks whoever for the downvote. Then a bit more serious... There might be even better examples but let's consider that someone is part of a community that can use what is considered a slur, depending on context, or a term of endearment, depending on context and who uses it etc... If someone else uses it but fails to disclose their appartenance to said group. When asked…

"When asked, they can refuse to disclose it."

Yes and that is still not a lie. Your comment above seems to imply otherwise and it was not humor to me, but arguing in bad faith.

"Is it fair to get them banned from the community?"

If the rules say no lying, then yes.

"You can't force people to speak differently"

Of course you can. Why do you think I am around here and not on reddit or alike? There are clear rules around discourse and they are enforced.

Re: Show HN: Geofenced chat communities anyone can create

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Post by aatd86 »

lukan wrote: post #57
aatd86 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok so it was tongue-in-cheek if not obvious but thanks whoever for the downvote. Then a bit more serious... There might be even better examples but let's consider that someone is part of a community that can use what is considered a slur, depending on context, or a term of endearment, depending on context and who uses it etc... If someone else uses it but fails to disclose their appartenance to said group. When asked…

"When asked, they can refuse to disclose it." Yes and that is still not a lie. Your comment above seems to imply otherwise and it was not humor to me, but arguing in bad faith. "Is it fair to get them banned from the community?" If the rules say no lying, then yes. "You can't force people to speak differently" Of course you can. Why do you think I am around here and not on reddit or alike? There are clear rules aroun…

It is a lie if they use it as if they were a full-fledged member of a community while not actually being a true member of said community.

If I disguise myself as a man, that does not mean that I can go the male restrooms. If I am asked for proof that I am actually female for some reason, can I decline showing such proof?

And regarding arguing in bad faith, I was not arguing. Maybe you are not aware of the expression 'lying by omission'? But the smileys I used were supposed to make obvious that it was a joke/tongue-in-cheek. Even the initial question was tongue-in-cheek. Do you sincerely believe that I expect to receive some credit card info?!!!

Ack that this example might not be best since the lie in the first place is the disguise. But, not everything is ruled by law, especially online. Which is also the point of the question.

Re: Show HN: Geofenced chat communities anyone can create

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Post by lukan »

aatd86 wrote: post #58
lukan wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"When asked, they can refuse to disclose it." Yes and that is still not a lie. Your comment above seems to imply otherwise and it was not humor to me, but arguing in bad faith. "Is it fair to get them banned from the community?" If the rules say no lying, then yes. "You can't force people to speak differently" Of course you can. Why do you think I am around here and not on reddit or alike? There are clear rules aroun…

It is a lie if they use it as if they were a full-fledged member of a community while not actually being a true member of said community. If I disguise myself as a man, that does not mean that I can go the male restrooms. If I am asked for proof that I am actually female for some reason, can I decline showing such proof? And regarding arguing in bad faith, I was not arguing. Maybe you are not aware of the expression…

"It is a lie if they use it as if they were a full-fledged member of a community while not actually being a true member of said community."

That would be a lie, yes. (I found your example above not clearly written and still am not quite sure what you meant exactly)

"And regarding arguing in bad faith, I was not arguing. Maybe you are not aware of the expression 'lying by omission'? But the smileys I used were supposed to make obvious that it was a joke/tongue-in-cheek. Even the initial question was tongue-in-cheek. Do you sincerely believe that I expect to receive some credit card info?!!!"

Asking for information and someone declining that information has nothing to do with lying by ommision. That you try to make a connection here is what makes me believe you are not debating (or talking about or whatever) in good faith.

"But, not everything is ruled by law, especially online. Which is also the point of the question."

But this is about a concrete community, where my point is, they can very much rule certain things by their law.

And to me by default, lying is evil. And not banning those who lie (which was the starting point here).

Re: Show HN: Geofenced chat communities anyone can create

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Post by bragr »

lukan wrote: post #50
estimator7292 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of these statements is a lie: I live in America I have red hair I like bluebirds Do you think it is good and just and fair to ban someone for one of these falsehoods?

Depends what your intentions are. If I want a authentic community, I would not want people to participate who lie where they live. Otherwise there is the concept of making a prank which is fine by me. But intentionally spreading lies for political propaganda or scam is very much a reason to ban someone like this for me.

So you agree with me then? I'm confused.
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