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Re: Show HN: Every single torrent is on this website

#51

I don't understand why so many people seem so fascinated by constructions like the library of Babel. Yes it contains the answers to all your questions, but there are some significant drawbacks. * It has more wrong information than right information, with no way to tell the difference. * If you had an oracle that could tell you how to get to the book you need, the navigation instructions to get to the book will be at…

> If you had an oracle that could tell you how to get to the book you need, the navigation instructions to get to the book will be at least as long as the book, on average. This isn't quite true. Natural language text compresses extremely well and you would only need length equivalent to the compressed form, not the original form. And if you wanted to go further, you could use a mapping where extremely short strings…

I suppose this would work if the library was arranged such that comprehensible books were closer to the "origin". The workings of the "real" library of babel are supposed to be more inscrutable though.

But if I built one, it would totally work that way.

Re: Show HN: Every single torrent is on this website

#52
post #28

> There is no validation that an infohash corresponds to a real torrent—any client can announce anything. Many crawlers and indexers continuously pick random or sequential infohashes and announce themselves so they can later detect other announcers, and malicious clients or poorly written bots can spam the network with anything they like. There are also valid clients for completely unrelated protocols using the BitTo…

Which? I'm always fascinated by the use of public p2p nets to serve other protocols. The first complete standalone program I wrote was a gnutella p2p client.

https://github.com/pubky/pkarr is another one

Re: Show HN: Every single torrent is on this website

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I mean exactly this type of insight. Basically taking a digital photo with a camera technically also just picks out the "address" of your current environment within the space of all images. Any 4K 2-hour-length feature film in a digital format is also just an address in the space of all possible videos. The director, the actors, the whole crew did all that work in order to select that point from the space of pos…

Yeah I agree with you. > It's like the idea that the sculptor doesn't create the sculpture, the sculpture was there all along, he just had to remove the superfluous matter to reveal what was already there (i.e. the atoms belonging to the final sculpture). I understand this argument but I have far more trouble applying this logic to real things. I'm not sure the same logic applies once the information is instantiated…

I'm not sure the law has ever been concerned with logical reducibility. Context that can't easily been defined objectively has always been a part of legal systems, and arguably is a feature rather than a bug. Stuff like the "reasonable person" standard are intentionally flawed concepts that allow laws to exist without needing to define every possible permutation of human behavior up front. This obviously doesn't mean that you won't necessarily look at everything and decide to be an anarchist because of how convoluted it all is, but I don't think that being mathematically inconsistent is particularly unique to copyright in the legal system.

Re: Show HN: Every single torrent is on this website

#54

I don't understand why so many people seem so fascinated by constructions like the library of Babel. Yes it contains the answers to all your questions, but there are some significant drawbacks. * It has more wrong information than right information, with no way to tell the difference. * If you had an oracle that could tell you how to get to the book you need, the navigation instructions to get to the book will be at…

I am reminded of this SMBC comic

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/the-library-of-heaven

Re: Show HN: Every single torrent is on this website

#55
post #2

> Many crawlers and indexers continuously pick random or sequential infohashes and announce themselves so they can later detect other announcers I can't follow the logic here. How does this detect other announcers?

The way I understand it, these extraneous infohashes are functional honeytokens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeytoken > In the field of computer security, honeytokens are honeypots that are not computer systems. Their value lies not in their use, but in their abuse.

So they are basically detecting bots that indiscriminately try to download any detected infohash, right?

That's not detecting "announcers", but maybe more like detecting "indexers".

Re: Show HN: Every single torrent is on this website

#56

Is this legal? I’m of the impression that publishing infohashes to copyrighted content is illegal under DMCA?

I wonder how hosting a torrent is different to google showing a link to a pirated movie, both are just holding data that tells you where to find the content, not the content itself

I think Google is expected to abide DMCA takedowns in such cases, but IANAL. My understanding is that even an indirect reference (such as a link or infohash) is a DMCA violation.

Re: Show HN: Every single torrent is on this website

#57

Love this idea of generating pages based on some strictly defined enumeration. Reminds me of https://everyuuid.com/

Me too. That's listed as an inspiration on the index page!

Or every bitcoin public and private address.

https://keys.lol

Re: Show HN: Every single torrent is on this website

#58

I don't understand why so many people seem so fascinated by constructions like the library of Babel. Yes it contains the answers to all your questions, but there are some significant drawbacks. * It has more wrong information than right information, with no way to tell the difference. * If you had an oracle that could tell you how to get to the book you need, the navigation instructions to get to the book will be at…

Thank you captain obvious.

Re: Show HN: Every single torrent is on this website

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I mean exactly this type of insight. Basically taking a digital photo with a camera technically also just picks out the "address" of your current environment within the space of all images. Any 4K 2-hour-length feature film in a digital format is also just an address in the space of all possible videos. The director, the actors, the whole crew did all that work in order to select that point from the space of pos…

Yeah I agree with you. > It's like the idea that the sculptor doesn't create the sculpture, the sculpture was there all along, he just had to remove the superfluous matter to reveal what was already there (i.e. the atoms belonging to the final sculpture). I understand this argument but I have far more trouble applying this logic to real things. I'm not sure the same logic applies once the information is instantiated…

Reminds me of the DeCSS t-shirts from back in the day…

Re: Show HN: Every single torrent is on this website

#60
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way I understand it, these extraneous infohashes are functional honeytokens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeytoken > In the field of computer security, honeytokens are honeypots that are not computer systems. Their value lies not in their use, but in their abuse.

So they are basically detecting bots that indiscriminately try to download any detected infohash, right? That's not detecting "announcers", but maybe more like detecting "indexers".

> That's not detecting "announcers", but maybe more like detecting "indexers".

I think you’re correct, as the secondary freebooting indexers are adding their tracker(s) after the fact of the private torrent’s creation/origination to the original prefilled list of trackers, and inserting their tracker(s) to the reuploaded, usually public, torrent, and sometimes even removing the original private trackers so as to not phone home and tell on themselves.

I’m happy to be corrected, but private trackers typically bind the downloading IP of the torrent to the announcing tracker to validate legitimate clients. Private trackers don’t consider any extra trackers (announcers in this context) as valid or authorized. I have heard that modded BitTorrent clients can intentionally misreport upload stats to fudge the numbers for gaming your quota, as many private trackers/torrent sites enforce a positive >1.0 or higher minimum ratio.

I’ve heard of ways that folks with legitimate access to the private torrent tracker and torrents clone the IPs of other clients and then use a secondary torrent client to request blocks, bypassing the tracker entirely and not reporting any downloads (or uploads, for that matter), so the quota of the first legit client is not affected positively or negatively.

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