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Re: Show HN: A Tiling Window Manager for Windows, Written in Janet

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Post by TeMPOraL »

Rasthor wrote: post #29
aus10d wrote: post #23

Janet looks really neat. And this project seems really cool. Windows DESPERATELY needs a more powerful built-in manager. It's ridiculous to use the mouse all the time.

One of the later PowerToys updates makes the first few steps in the right direction with "fancy zones". It's not strictly native windows, but still developed by Microsoft and adds keyboard shortcuts for all its utilities

PowerToys seems to be making two step forward, one step backwards, and then makes a leap in a random off-axis direction. Every time an update comes, I feel both joy and worry - I expect to see some new cool thing (and possibly even useful to me), but I also worry about bloat and random performance degradations. I haven't bothered with measuring and quantifying it properly, but I do feel PowerToys got heavier and slower over the last 2 years.

Ironically, 90% of use I get from them is remapping Caps Lock to CTRL. Which I historically did with AutoHotkey, which was much lighter, but then there's the 10% of the time I need something else from PowerToys...

Re: Show HN: A Tiling Window Manager for Windows, Written in Janet

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Post by nemomarx »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #51
Rasthor wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the later PowerToys updates makes the first few steps in the right direction with "fancy zones". It's not strictly native windows, but still developed by Microsoft and adds keyboard shortcuts for all its utilities

PowerToys seems to be making two step forward, one step backwards, and then makes a leap in a random off-axis direction. Every time an update comes, I feel both joy and worry - I expect to see some new cool thing (and possibly even useful to me), but I also worry about bloat and random performance degradations. I haven't bothered with measuring and quantifying it properly, but I do feel PowerToys got heavier and slow…

Even lighter than autohotkey is remapping on the hardware of the keyboard. There's a lot of open source firmware options for that now in the custom scene

Re: Show HN: A Tiling Window Manager for Windows, Written in Janet

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Post by TeMPOraL »

Long-time StumpWM user, before I switched back to Windows a few years ago. This is super-exciting to see, and I'm going to take it for a spin. It might just address my major frustrations with arranging windows and switching between them; my monitor seems just the right shape/resolution for the standard Windows splits to be suboptimal.

(Browsers, in particular, I use full-screen less and less. That annoying trend of squeezing everything into short lines "because readability" is just wasting too much screen space; zooming in makes everything too big, and I'm getting tired of writing userstyles or userscript to fix it for every other page I open, so I'm back to keeping 2 or 3 columns of windows running.)

Also, any excuse to use more Lisp is good in my book. Based on the screenshots, it looks stellar; if it works half as well as it comes across, I'll switch over instantly.

Re: Show HN: A Tiling Window Manager for Windows, Written in Janet

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Post by TeMPOraL »

bsnnkv wrote: post #11
piskov wrote: post #3

Just in case someone new is looking, komorebi is great: https://github.com/LGUG2Z/komorebi

komorebi dev here - Jwno is awesome and I highly recommend people give it a try (especially people who enjoy writing Lisp!) The Windows tiling window manager development scene is a very kind, relaxed and collaborative space where we all take inspiration from and support each other

That is amazing and I hope it'll continue to be so :).

The Linux scene isn't bad either (or at least it wasn't 4+ years ago when I was into this); I've used StumpWM as a daily driver for many years, and while it was definitely niche, I still saw friendly exchange of ideas and experiences with people using and/or contributing to dwm, i3, and ratpoison.

(Then there's EXWM, but I never really mustered the courage necessary to try it.)

Re: Show HN: A Tiling Window Manager for Windows, Written in Janet

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Post by behnamoh »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #50
behnamoh wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I feel weird using a Lisp that is not as interactive as Racket, Scheme or Common Lisp I think Racket and Scheme don't belong in there because neither has a REPL as powerful and "interactive" as Common Lisp REPL. They don't support images either (but Janet and CL do).

There's multiple dimensions you can slice and dice the Lisp family by. Images and REPL experience are two big ones, but they're almost orthogonal.

I didn't mean that Racket and Scheme aren't Lisp (they are!). I meant they don't have the images and REPL-driven development of Common Lisp.

Re: Show HN: A Tiling Window Manager for Windows, Written in Janet

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Post by tmtvl »

behnamoh wrote: post #47
sph wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How’s the REPL/interactive editing story? I feel weird using a Lisp that is not as interactive as Racket, Scheme or Common Lisp. Running scripts from the REPL ain’t the same thing as C-x C-e an expression on a live program

> I feel weird using a Lisp that is not as interactive as Racket, Scheme or Common Lisp I think Racket and Scheme don't belong in there because neither has a REPL as powerful and "interactive" as Common Lisp REPL. They don't support images either (but Janet and CL do).

As a Common Lisper with a Scheme background I'm gonna guess that by the interactivity of the REPL you mean the condition system with restarts? While most Schemes don't really have anything like it, I seem to recall MIT/GNU Scheme having something kinda similar. And I mean, hey, it's got Edwin, so it definitely has interactivity.

Re: Show HN: A Tiling Window Manager for Windows, Written in Janet

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Post by behnamoh »

tmtvl wrote: post #57
behnamoh wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I feel weird using a Lisp that is not as interactive as Racket, Scheme or Common Lisp I think Racket and Scheme don't belong in there because neither has a REPL as powerful and "interactive" as Common Lisp REPL. They don't support images either (but Janet and CL do).

As a Common Lisper with a Scheme background I'm gonna guess that by the interactivity of the REPL you mean the condition system with restarts? While most Schemes don't really have anything like it, I seem to recall MIT/GNU Scheme having something kinda similar. And I mean, hey, it's got Edwin, so it definitely has interactivity.

Yes, I mean the conditions and restarts system in CL. Haven't seen anything like that in Clojure and other Lisps.

Re: Show HN: A Tiling Window Manager for Windows, Written in Janet

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Post by layer8 »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #51
Rasthor wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the later PowerToys updates makes the first few steps in the right direction with "fancy zones". It's not strictly native windows, but still developed by Microsoft and adds keyboard shortcuts for all its utilities

PowerToys seems to be making two step forward, one step backwards, and then makes a leap in a random off-axis direction. Every time an update comes, I feel both joy and worry - I expect to see some new cool thing (and possibly even useful to me), but I also worry about bloat and random performance degradations. I haven't bothered with measuring and quantifying it properly, but I do feel PowerToys got heavier and slow…

The even simpler solution to remapping Caps Lock is to use SharpKeys, which applies registry settings to make use of Windows’ built-in remapping functionality.

Re: Show HN: A Tiling Window Manager for Windows, Written in Janet

#60

Post by jazzyjackson »

aus10d wrote: post #23

Janet looks really neat. And this project seems really cool. Windows DESPERATELY needs a more powerful built-in manager. It's ridiculous to use the mouse all the time.

I never use the mouse to move windows around, windows key + arrows key meets my needs fine even multi-monitor, breaks the screen up into halves and quarters. Alt-tab to change focus.
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