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Re: Show HN: 90s.dev – Game maker that runs on the web

#51

Post by roskelld » Tue, May 20, 2025, 6:07 PM UTC

Trying to load it on Firefox (Floorp Browser variant 11.26.0) and the examples get stuck on the `Loading` screen. Moving my mouse over it draws the cursor and leaves it imprinted on screen so you get that permanent trail effect.

In the console I see:

  Failed to load ‘https://90s.dev/os/fs/run?  code=H4sIAAAAAAAACk2QMW%2BDMBCFd%2F%2BKa4QEKAiiKlMVs1Rqlw4dmy0GjsSNsRE2TVKL%2F16DSYq3d3ef797jTas6A6zlCVgIEnhFabBL4L1TfbtP4IMVKGb5BQPUnWogzJTOHJN%2B65AQdmF8%2BiJtOxR9hfqNS65PWBFSKqkNlKqXBigE0SaeS1yWrhDFQHPfTn%2BY6HG9vjMtkyjcyP%2Fv%2BqbThp3xc%2BxEFiRr8AVWJxRCwUV1olrBkBCAnTcBmv8itXc0GOUABSvPR%2BdGVtRurtvp1fWQO86R3jYcWUvtdi668pQCGLwaGi72PYWQPWbmiCb0%2BYG6RtEboyRocxNIQ90XDTchsNJwJal1QQx5KXh5hgZ3mR9e0IvV1gfFKtaaSI7JHSYQKwisHMDwBvUhHhZHZf6q2Z1X%2B1HtMh9STmJCpqzTWpW99uHGfz0j7XEYAgAA’. A ServiceWorker passed a promise to FetchEvent.respondWith() that rejected with ‘TypeError: Array(...).keys().map is not a function’.

Seems to work fine in Chrome though.

Re: Show HN: 90s.dev – Game maker that runs on the web

#52

Post by 90s_dev » Tue, May 20, 2025, 6:15 PM UTC

roskelld wrote: post #51

Trying to load it on Firefox (Floorp Browser variant 11.26.0) and the examples get stuck on the `Loading` screen. Moving my mouse over it draws the cursor and leaves it imprinted on screen so you get that permanent trail effect. In the console I see: Failed to load ‘https://90s.dev/os/fs/run? code=H4sIAAAAAAAACk2QMW%2BDMBCFd%2F%2BKa4QEKAiiKlMVs1Rqlw4dmy0GjsSNsRE2TVKL%2F16DSYq3d3ef797jTas6A6zlCVgIEnhFabBL4L1TfbtP4IMVK…

Thanks for letting me know. Hmm, I don't know what Floorp is doing differently. I'd need more of a stacktrace. It works in regular Firefox though. Feel free to paste a stacktrace and/or stacktrace screenshot on the issues page and I'll take a look.

Re: Show HN: 90s.dev – Game maker that runs on the web

#53

Post by 90s_dev » Tue, May 20, 2025, 6:31 PM UTC

johnisgood wrote: post #50

inanutshellus wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't both honor a constraint and give an out for it. Remember OG twitter and someone complained about the 140 character limit. Imagine the reply was "ok fine we'll let you use more than 128 characters, but you have to click an 'advanced' tab." instead of the "be clever" retort we really got from Jack Dorsey. Immediately there'd be no constraint at all, just an annoying step where you had to click an annoying che…

I think your example is different, because we are talking about something that would be only my code, should it not be up to me? And even if it was not feasible right now, someone else would write the code to make it possible, for their own project. Twitter is not your product, you are only using it. And it is also possible to do it, so why not document it? That makes no sense. That is akin to security through obscur…

I think you're both right. It's tricky to know when to make something a default and when to make it a constant. Especially when it comes to users, who cannot all be pleased.

Re: Show HN: 90s.dev – Game maker that runs on the web

#54

Post by johnisgood » Tue, May 20, 2025, 6:35 PM UTC

90s_dev wrote: post #53

johnisgood wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think your example is different, because we are talking about something that would be only my code, should it not be up to me? And even if it was not feasible right now, someone else would write the code to make it possible, for their own project. Twitter is not your product, you are only using it. And it is also possible to do it, so why not document it? That makes no sense. That is akin to security through obscur…

I think you're both right. It's tricky to know when to make something a default and when to make it a constant. Especially when it comes to users, who cannot all be pleased.

I think it would just kill flexibility, making it the default makes more sense to me, and you should leave it up to the developers using your product, but it is entirely up to you, of course. If I were to turn this into a constant, I would document it at the very least in the git commit message.

Re: Show HN: 90s.dev – Game maker that runs on the web

#55

Post by 9dev » Tue, May 20, 2025, 6:55 PM UTC

90s_dev wrote: post #23

Hi, author here. Thank you everyone for the feedback. It's clear that I launched this far too soon. I'll work on the pain points you all noted, and come back in a few months.

Absolutely not too soon! This is a great project; it's so amazingly, ridiculously overengineered, in the best way possible! The most beautiful bike shed I have ever seen. You even implemented your own reactivity system.

I love it.

Re: Show HN: 90s.dev – Game maker that runs on the web

#56

Post by 90s_dev » Tue, May 20, 2025, 6:58 PM UTC

9dev wrote: post #55

90s_dev wrote: post #23

Hi, author here. Thank you everyone for the feedback. It's clear that I launched this far too soon. I'll work on the pain points you all noted, and come back in a few months.

Absolutely not too soon! This is a great project; it's so amazingly, ridiculously overengineered, in the best way possible! The most beautiful bike shed I have ever seen. You even implemented your own reactivity system. I love it.

Ha, thanks! Yeah the reactivity system was born out of trying to get stuff done quickly. I was tired of manually setting variables so I made it easy to "chain" and "adapt" them and stuff. Same thing with the (hacky?) auto-layout system. Shortcuts to get stuff done quick!

Re: Show HN: 90s.dev – Game maker that runs on the web

#57

Post by gtoast » Tue, May 20, 2025, 7:11 PM UTC

I'm stuck on the first step of the "Getting Started" guide.

1. I've downloaded helloworld.zip to my local computer, I think. 2. I open the filer.app.js by clicking the link on the webpage. This open a 90s.dev instance right on the page. 3. Then i'm supposed to mount helloworld/app as app and click it, so i click the mount button, it asks for the drive name, hi put in helloworld/app and click mount but nothing happens.

I must be missing how you're supposed to get helloworld.zip into the 90s.dev instance... how do you upload it into the instance?

Re: Show HN: 90s.dev – Game maker that runs on the web

#58

Post by 90s_dev » Tue, May 20, 2025, 7:14 PM UTC

gtoast wrote: post #57

I'm stuck on the first step of the "Getting Started" guide. 1. I've downloaded helloworld.zip to my local computer, I think. 2. I open the filer.app.js by clicking the link on the webpage. This open a 90s.dev instance right on the page. 3. Then i'm supposed to mount helloworld/app as app and click it, so i click the mount button, it asks for the drive name, hi put in helloworld/app and click mount but nothing happens…

Thanks for the feedback.

You're likely using Firefox, right? This feature relies on showDirectoryPicker which Firefox doesn't support. You'd have to use Chrome for the getting started guide.

Also, the drive name shouldn't have a path. Name it something like "foo". I'll udpate the guide to reflect this. Then foo/helloworld.app.js will point to /some/local/path/helloworld.app.js, as long as you mounted "foo" to point to the directory at "/some/local/path"

Re: Show HN: 90s.dev – Game maker that runs on the web

#59

Post by kleiba » Tue, May 20, 2025, 7:32 PM UTC

90s_dev wrote: post #58

gtoast wrote: post #57

I'm stuck on the first step of the "Getting Started" guide. 1. I've downloaded helloworld.zip to my local computer, I think. 2. I open the filer.app.js by clicking the link on the webpage. This open a 90s.dev instance right on the page. 3. Then i'm supposed to mount helloworld/app as app and click it, so i click the mount button, it asks for the drive name, hi put in helloworld/app and click mount but nothing happens…

Thanks for the feedback. You're likely using Firefox, right? This feature relies on showDirectoryPicker which Firefox doesn't support. You'd have to use Chrome for the getting started guide. Also, the drive name shouldn't have a path. Name it something like "foo". I'll udpate the guide to reflect this. Then foo/helloworld.app.js will point to /some/local/path/helloworld.app.js, as long as you mounted "foo" to point t…

Boo for "Chrome only"!

Could you find a work-around to support firefox as well?

Re: Show HN: 90s.dev – Game maker that runs on the web

#60

Post by MrGilbert » Tue, May 20, 2025, 7:49 PM UTC

I love what you did there! It's an awesome project. I directly traveled back to my childhood. While I love pico8, I think it's a decade too early for me. I grew up with desktop and gui. This feels like buying a CD again.