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Re: Show HN: Scripton – Python IDE with built-in realtime visualizations

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Post by vunderba »

lolinder wrote: post #49
nickserv wrote: post #44

I've been doing Python development for a long time, since when 2.4 was the hottest thing. I've used the language for all sorts of things: web apps, web APIs, GUI tools, image manipulation, data processing and visualization, some data science, machine learning more recently. I've used many IDEs over the years, currently on PyCharm. Just to qualify the feedback. Pros: - It looks very pretty. - Some nice time saving fea…

> currently on PyCharm. ... Cons: Subscription business model. ... Any one of the con's would be a deal breaker for me. I'm curious to understand this better (as a fan of JetBrains): do you currently use PyCharm Community or does the JetBrains model not count as a subscription for you?

Chiming in here, Jetbrains is a subscription model, but with a very important qualifier in the form of a perpetual fallback license once you stop paying. It's an important distinction, and I wish more businesses would follow this model.

Re: Show HN: Scripton – Python IDE with built-in realtime visualizations

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Post by vunderba »

TheTaytay wrote: post #42
999900000999 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for sharing. The OP posted a cool project, but 20$ a month for a nice VS code fork is absurd. Plus it's Mac only now.

Do you think Cursor is charging too much for their VSCode fork? Many thousands of devs disagree with you…

Bad comparison because Cursor uses cloud-based large language models. This is running purely locally on your machine.

Re: Show HN: Scripton – Python IDE with built-in realtime visualizations

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Post by markus_zhang »

vunderba wrote: post #51
lolinder wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> currently on PyCharm. ... Cons: Subscription business model. ... Any one of the con's would be a deal breaker for me. I'm curious to understand this better (as a fan of JetBrains): do you currently use PyCharm Community or does the JetBrains model not count as a subscription for you?

Chiming in here, Jetbrains is a subscription model, but with a very important qualifier in the form of a perpetual fallback license once you stop paying. It's an important distinction, and I wish more businesses would follow this model.

Is the Jetbrain model basically the pricing model of early era (pre 2000s) IDEs? I remember back then developers had to pay for editors and compilers, which usually came with a huge amount of manuals. And then they could install patches until a new major version rolled out. I'm actually OK with that model, if they still ship manuals in paper.

Re: Show HN: Scripton – Python IDE with built-in realtime visualizations

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Post by vunderba »

sneilan1 wrote: post #33
_blk wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is 20$/month absurd for something that boosts productivity? What does matlab coat nowadays? Sounds like he'd like to be able to improve it further and clients invest in that. Absurd is people paying 80$+/month for yt tv so they can watch ads.. My opinions.

I don't want to pay $20/month for something that is probably going to be mostly unchanged after I purchase. That's like paying rent for tooling. I want to own my tools not rent them.

Agreed. The visualizations are very nice. I'd consider purchasing a copy for $150-$200 if it would give me one year of free updates, but I simply don't do subscription models without any kind of fallback license anymore.

I really dislike the idea of justifying eternal subscription cost models because of "ROI".

Every tool has an ROI, but you don't see photographers paying a monthly fee to use their camera, you don't see electricians paying a monthly fee to use their oscilloscope, you don't see carpenters paying a monthly fee to use their table saw, etc.

And this isn't Kickstarter - I'm not interested in investing in features/upgrades that the application might get at some point in the future, I buy software based on the feature set that it currently has.

Re: Show HN: Scripton – Python IDE with built-in realtime visualizations

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Post by rcpt »

alsodumb wrote: post #39

I am a robotics engineer/scientist and I do shit ton of visualization of all kind of high-fidelity/high-rate data, often in a streaming setting - time series at a few thousand Hz, RGB/depth images from multiple cameras, debugging my models by visualizing many layer outputs, every augmentation, etc. For a long time, I had my own observability suite - a messy library of python scripts that I use for visualizing data. I…

For magnet levitation project I am dumping data to a csv on a rpi and then reading it over ssh onto matplotlib on my desktop. It works but it choppy. Probably because of the ssh.

Could I drop rerun into this to improve my monitoring?

https://youtube.com/shorts/Y1LGSMFisDc

Re: Show HN: Scripton – Python IDE with built-in realtime visualizations

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Post by vunderba »

markus_zhang wrote: post #53
vunderba wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chiming in here, Jetbrains is a subscription model, but with a very important qualifier in the form of a perpetual fallback license once you stop paying. It's an important distinction, and I wish more businesses would follow this model.

Is the Jetbrain model basically the pricing model of early era (pre 2000s) IDEs? I remember back then developers had to pay for editors and compilers, which usually came with a huge amount of manuals. And then they could install patches until a new major version rolled out. I'm actually OK with that model, if they still ship manuals in paper.

Yeah, I think it's pretty similar. I definitely remember purchasing copies of the software like Borland C++ / Visual Studio / etc. that would essentially cover the major version number and all patch related updates.

Although personally, I don't know if jetbrains offers an actual physical copy (give me back the big box!).

Re: Show HN: Scripton – Python IDE with built-in realtime visualizations

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Post by dartharva »

screye wrote: post #35
ckastner wrote: post #21

In a similar vein: https://www.spyder-ide.org/ (MIT-licensed)

Spyder is the reason I could become Computer Scientist. When transitioning from MechE -> CS, every programming interface felt unintuitive and daunting to set up. Spyder made it so simple to get started. It turned python into a Matlab-esque numeric computing interface, got out of your way and let you built whatever you wanted. It reduced the 'time to magic' like no other tool I'd tried. (Can I coin the term : 'time to…

What made you shift away from Spyder to Jupyter notebooks and VSCode?
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