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Re: Show HN: Wall-mounted diffusion mirror that turns reflections into paintings

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igornadj wrote: post #44

> Making art is hard. But art is mostly about surfacing the inner world, and only in part about skill. It’s unfortunate that art selects so strongly for skill. Not to sound like a luddite, but I do question the idea that the skill gap is merely an inconvenience. I suspect learning how to paint or make music changes something in yourself which teaches you some deeper life lessons. I've heard the phrase (paraphrased):…

? Have you ever read musician interviews: Its like a competition on how much clichee, naivete and reality denying drivel one can compress into 5 minutes.

Idealism is not a victimless crime, millions suffer every day because some artist threw a buggy,idealized world model over the fence and the idiocy stuck hypnotizing millions into permanently damaging themselves.

Re: Show HN: Wall-mounted diffusion mirror that turns reflections into paintings

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Post by happymellon »

khafra wrote: post #50
xlii wrote: post #49

> But art is mostly about surfacing the inner world, and only in part about skill. I always thought that art is all about emotions, both preserving and creating them. That’s why I find a banana on the wall art, popular music is still art. (Might be school influence but I also tend to ask myself „why”) This invention is definitely work of art, but its output - in my eyes - not. It’s like a cloud. It can make different…

> I always thought that art is all about emotions, both preserving and creating them. But this leaves the role of intention ambiguous. If I double-park a BMW across two handicap spaces because I'm angry and entitled, is that art? It certainly evokes emotion, and it's also produced by emotion.

If you present it as art, sure.

But the best part about art is that other people don't have to consider what you do as art.

I would find it hard to believe you are presenting it as art though, as you'll want your BMW back after you've bought whatever crap at the store.

I don't have to believe your AI generated slop is art because it doesn't actually convey any emotion.

This generation of the picture itself is art, similar to other "experience" art pieces. Its referred to as immersive art.

Re: Show HN: Wall-mounted diffusion mirror that turns reflections into paintings

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Post by happymellon »

viraptor wrote: post #13

> It’s unfortunate that art selects so strongly for skill. Can we decorrelate the two? I really like this direction. I understand why some object to the genai approaches, but in practice sometimes I get an idea of something cool and don't have the skills to create it myself. I'm not going to invest months/years to create each of those ideas and they're not important enough to spend hundreds of dollars that a skilled…

But unfortunately they did not.

Not everyone could build what is presented here, and inadvertently they have validated that it requires skill to produce a machine that distorts your reality. The pictures being produced isn't the art.

Re: Show HN: Wall-mounted diffusion mirror that turns reflections into paintings

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Post by baq »

NavinF wrote: post #47
terhechte wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This goes opposite to the saying "Experts say it cannot be done; amateurs accomplish it every day.". Sometimes it's good to have someone with fresh eyes looking and something and not be shaped by decades of prior history.

> "Experts say it cannot be done; amateurs accomplish it every day." I love this because I seem to encounter situations like that every day. Who came up with this saying? Recent example: This guy asked a very simple question about something that's commonly done in industry (wiring two power supplies in parallel and balancing the current between them): https://www.reddit.com/r/AskElectronics/comments/1g84zd7/usi... Li…

I guess there's the armchair expert and the actual, real expert and these two are completely different beasts.

I wouldn't feel comfortable with this guy's usb-c setup but probably not for 'it's all going to burn down' reasons, more like 'the connection will get loose somewhere and I'll lose my work'.

Re: Show HN: Wall-mounted diffusion mirror that turns reflections into paintings

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Post by Lerc »

happymellon wrote: post #52
khafra wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I always thought that art is all about emotions, both preserving and creating them. But this leaves the role of intention ambiguous. If I double-park a BMW across two handicap spaces because I'm angry and entitled, is that art? It certainly evokes emotion, and it's also produced by emotion.

If you present it as art, sure. But the best part about art is that other people don't have to consider what you do as art. I would find it hard to believe you are presenting it as art though, as you'll want your BMW back after you've bought whatever crap at the store. I don't have to believe your AI generated slop is art because it doesn't actually convey any emotion. This generation of the picture itself is art, si…

>If you present it as art, sure.

>But the best part about art is that other people don't have to consider what you do as art.

I often think of art in a way that is remarkably consistent with these statements.

My view was "Art is an invitation to consider" Sticking a banana to a wall becomes art when you do it to make people to engage or think about it.

Engagement is not compulsory, but I think the invitation might be. Sticking a banana to a wall to keep it away from ants is simple utility, not intended to be artistic expression.

>I don't have to believe your AI generated slop is art because it doesn't actually convey any emotion.

You don't have to engage, but choosing to denigrate is actively hostile engagement. There are plenty of people using AI for expression of ideas. There are also people doing a bunch of dumb things. Lowbrow art is still art in it's own way. Much of it may have very little to say, but I don't think there are very many people who have pretensions that low effort images are much more than a kind of doodling.

Re: Show HN: Wall-mounted diffusion mirror that turns reflections into paintings

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Post by unwind »

I don't have anything to say about the artistic value, but as a part-time tool collector with dreams of being a handy person, this passage was the most interesting:

I used a puncher to cut a hole in the frame’s cardboard for the camera (drills didn’t work).

I would love some more detail, or just people's interpretations ... in what manner can a drill fail to "work" on cardboard? There can be issues with tearing, perhaps, that I think punching works around nicely.

Re: Show HN: Wall-mounted diffusion mirror that turns reflections into paintings

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Post by xlii »

khafra wrote: post #50
xlii wrote: post #49

> But art is mostly about surfacing the inner world, and only in part about skill. I always thought that art is all about emotions, both preserving and creating them. That’s why I find a banana on the wall art, popular music is still art. (Might be school influence but I also tend to ask myself „why”) This invention is definitely work of art, but its output - in my eyes - not. It’s like a cloud. It can make different…

> I always thought that art is all about emotions, both preserving and creating them. But this leaves the role of intention ambiguous. If I double-park a BMW across two handicap spaces because I'm angry and entitled, is that art? It certainly evokes emotion, and it's also produced by emotion.

An interesting viewpoint for sure.

I would dissect it though since it’s not pure anger - frustration maybe, a complex one and caused by additional input. E.g. anxiety (you took what could be mine) or internal discord (after observing act of injustice).

I’d argue that it’s an act of random (again, like a cloud) and wouldn’t treat it as art.

But, if you’d park it sideways in front of the mall entrance, blocking it considerably, I’d consider it art (in my imagination I can see the headlines about artist making a statement against the overconsumption).

Yet art is art, so everyone has their own definition. I’d prefer “positive” emotions, so awe, nostalgia, etc., but I don’t see reason why anger should be excluded.

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Re: Show HN: Wall-mounted diffusion mirror that turns reflections into paintings

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Post by MrLeap »

GradientSurfer wrote: post #23

Nice! I peeked at the code and thought I’d share a few tips for improving the low frame rate: Base64 encoding the JPEG bytes will increase payload size up to ~30% and burns CPU cycles on both client and server. This is unnecessary, as Websocket protocol can send binary payloads (doesn’t need to be text). Consider removing lossy jpg compression as well, ie just send the raw RGB bytes over the network. Then on the serv…

yeah yeah yeah, do all these things, and afterwards, look at 2d interpolation methods that don't require AI for your inbetweens. There's some real fast kernel math that can lerp from one blob to another at 8 billion fps.

Re: Show HN: Wall-mounted diffusion mirror that turns reflections into paintings

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Post by esperent »

unwind wrote: post #56

I don't have anything to say about the artistic value, but as a part-time tool collector with dreams of being a handy person, this passage was the most interesting: I used a puncher to cut a hole in the frame’s cardboard for the camera (drills didn’t work). I would love some more detail, or just people's interpretations ... in what manner can a drill fail to "work" on cardboard? There can be issues with tearing, perh…

It's too soft and layered, the drill tends to chew it up. I've had some luck putting duct tape over both sides and drilling through that, but for very clean holes you'd still probably have to clean the edges with a craft knife.

Re: Show HN: Wall-mounted diffusion mirror that turns reflections into paintings

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Post by piva00 »

bravura wrote: post #26

FYI, the link to the frame used to mount the display just blocks you: https://www.leroymerlin.fr/produits/decoration-eclairage/dec... For those curious, it's a MILO 21 x 29.7 cm black frame. These links work for me: https://www.leroymerlin.pt/produtos/decoracao-e-tapetes/mold... Also, the screen he uses (HMTECH Raspberry Pi Screen 10.1) is pretty hard to find. Do people have other good recommendations for screens wit…

> Any idea why this uses infrared light and an infrared camera?

I'd guess it's to make it work in the dark as well.

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