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Subscription models are cancer. Sell me a license for a flat cost and stop wasting my time.
Which scenario would you rather have? A: $3/mo B: $72 with a year of free upgrades
The latter, easily.
Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS
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#52So much criticism. People, have fun developing stuff for free or for little to no money while having to support a shitload of OS versions and possibly multi-device, multiple framework versions, bugs, people sinking your app on the App Store if you don't react or whatever. 3 dollars per month are nothing IF the app is useful. Email is literally the thing you use the most. Why 3 and not 1 or 5? Maybe 3 dollars are just…
That hits a little close to home. A couple months ago I built a tool to transfer my playlists from Spotify to YouTube Music, and I put it on github. Since then it's really taken off, I usually get a few stars a day, and I've put a bunch of work in both fixing issues that other people had and also just doing support for users having problems.
The thing that is funding the development of it at this point is my slow-burning rage at Spotify; the more people I can help get out of Spotify the more wrapped in wings of vengeance I feel.
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Subscription models are cancer. Sell me a license for a flat cost and stop wasting my time.
Where do you work? How does the business that pays your salary make its money? Do they pay you for your efforts on a subscription based model or a one time-payment + ownership model?
The guy making the mail client is not being retained as a full-time employee for his expertise by the people buying his mail client. It's not at all a similar relationship.
But to answer your question - I work on a variety of internal projects for a company that moves freight. Every year I have to justify my salary by either being budgeted to continue supporting a product or by moving to a new product undergoing active development. I'm hardly writing one product and then receiving a unending revenue stream from it.
Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS
#55The UI looks almost identical to https://mimestream.com/
I thought it was Mimestream until I looked deeper and realized it wasn't.
Re: Show HN: Swift Mail. Fastmail's modern mail standard delivered natively on macOS
#56So much criticism. People, have fun developing stuff for free or for little to no money while having to support a shitload of OS versions and possibly multi-device, multiple framework versions, bugs, people sinking your app on the App Store if you don't react or whatever. 3 dollars per month are nothing IF the app is useful. Email is literally the thing you use the most. Why 3 and not 1 or 5? Maybe 3 dollars are just…
If someone gives me an email client that can handle gigabytes of email with a breeze and provide near instant full text search, I'd dish out $3/mo almost instantly. The current state of most email clients is sad to say the least.
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#57It is very interesting, but there are plenty of stoppers for me: 1. Subscription model. I will be willing to pay even $250 for a good email client, that is superior to the native macOS client. If it really adds more features that I need. Meaning, I can use mostly all the email related features offered by Fastmail. But I am not willing to support subscription models. 2. No iOS client. I use email on macOS and iOS. Not…
2. For 3rd party clients you cannot have a mail client without an intermediate server.
Consider a mail service that only has IMAP-IDLE [1]. iOS's mail does not support that.
So ANY 3rd party to be able to deliver notifications you either have to go through Apple's push notification service (or ask for Local push connectivity [2]). But regardless, it implies that in order for you to trigger the notification (either via Apple to the device, or directly) you must thus know that a new email has popped up. The only way to keep track of this is to use an intermediate server that maintains connection with IMAP-IDLE, and thus needs to know credentials.
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP_IDLE
[2]: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/networkextension/l...
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Where do you work? How does the business that pays your salary make its money? Do they pay you for your efforts on a subscription based model or a one time-payment + ownership model?
I bought my house. I bought my car. I bought my laptop. I bought my servers. I don’t need to pay for them every month. In broad terms I am tired of having to make a paycheck every month and having a long list of companies wanting to take a slice from it for “making my life magically better”. Hidden price hikes, dark patterns to cancel, etc.
You haven’t addressed any of my questions, but I’ll play along.
Im also tired of having to pay my employees a slice of my revenue every month for “making my business magically better.” Hidden salary demands, dark patterns to fire them, etc.
I own my car. I own my laptop. Why can’t I own you?
I guess what I’m saying is, why do you think the code you write for your employer deserves to be sold on a subscription model (salary) —- yet you don’t afford the same opportunity to indie developers?
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#59Over all, I like how it looks, but the price seems high. $3 a month is almost as much as I pay for email service. Plus it seems weird to double drip. I’m already subscribed to you for the email service and you want me to almost double that price for a client to use it? Will the existing Fastmail app be deprecated to force folks to the new subscription app?
$3/month? Seriously? Does nobody here see the irony of being a community of people who make their income working in software that refuses to pay even $3/month for software? Ditto for the universal hatred of ad-based business models. This is why the consumer market for software is basically non-existent. Consumers value their time at $0 so they get free tools subsidized by intrusive ads or expensive hardware. Business…
> Consumers value their time at $0 so they get free tools subsidized by intrusive ads
I mean, I just use Thunderbird, but I'm sure there are ways to torture myself if I wanted to.
100% reliable contacts and calendars and email for the last 20 years.
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#60Is JMAP the base for an email experience revolution? Wonder if we're ripe for one.
For a long time, The Bat! was one of the best e-mail client for its times in the 2000s. Loved it's ticker-style notification bar back then. Sad to see that this piece of software has deteriorated over time and not evolved to support Mac/Linux. Next, Thunderbird emerged as an open alternative that was stable for a time. When GMail took over, few innovations came for email with its own Inbox being a starting point, followed by Superhuman and Hey. Is there room for more? Or are folks too attached to the traditional form of email?