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Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

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One might consider Cloudflare as a very nice competitor to Vercel in terms of DX, although I suspect all companies use a ban the world approach, even banks.

Not the best time to recommend Cloudflare.

Maybe, but they've kept customers informed throughout the entire outage. https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/incidents/hm7491k53ppg

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

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I don't know for sure, but I would imagine there are more severe actions taken against circumventing paid material (content behind a paywall) than there is for free content supplemented by advertisements.. Edit : The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) prohibits circumventing an effective technological means of control that restricts access to a copyrighted work. I guess that would apply here.

Given how liberally the DMCA is applied, you definitely don't want to be on the wrong side of that. I remember some guy that wrote a WoW bot and got sued using the DMCA, with the argument that his bot was circumventing the anti-cheat and the anti-cheat could be seen as a 'mechanism protecting copyrighted material', because it was safeguarding access to the game servers, the servers were generating parts of the game w…

As far a I know section 1201 has never been prosecuted. Distribution of the copyrighted material is what's focused on.

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

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For some reason all the alternative "archive.XYZXDHWIQHDQ" type of sites always give me a captcha page, and I am never able to proceed. I'm assuming its to do with the cloudflare DNS, well if they don't care to fix it on their end, I don't care to use their service.

There is a bit of 'tussle' going on between the two of them for quite a few years as you pointed out. https://x.com/archiveis/status/1018691421182791680?s=20 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36971650 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828702 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36971552

IIRC:

It's kind of a "everybody sucks" situation and there's no real winners.

Archive.[whatever] setup a server system to give you access from a country not your own, so that abusers have a harder time of archiving illegal content, then instantly reporting it to get the entire archive taken down. He uses EDNS to do this, but CF doesn't provide EDNS since it's a privacy issue to them.

So archive.[whatever] doesn't work for CF DNS because he doesn't want to risk bad actors being able to take down the archive.

Sensible reasons on both sides, especially for a service like archive.[whatever], and the real losers in this situation are the users.

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

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There's no real cat & mouse game here (yet*) - sites don't do anything to mitigate this. Sites deliberately make their content available to robots to gain SEO traction: they're left with the choice of allowing this kind of bypass or hurting their own SEO. * I say "yet" because there could conceivably be ways to mitigate this, but afaik most would involve individual deals/contracts between every search engine & every…

Google publishes IP ranges for GoogleBot. You can also reverse-lookup the request IP address - the resolved domain should in turn resolve to the original address.

Does anyone else remember 10 years ago when Google would penalize sites for serving different content to GoogleBot than to normal users? Those were the days.

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

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I got the feeling that these features should be part of a browser extension the same way as there are AdBlock extensions. I guess the reason it is not is "personal preference" of the author, or is there some technical reason?

I don't know for sure, but I would imagine there are more severe actions taken against circumventing paid material (content behind a paywall) than there is for free content supplemented by advertisements.. Edit : The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) prohibits circumventing an effective technological means of control that restricts access to a copyrighted work. I guess that would apply here.

Isn't anything that can be circumvented ineffective?

Or, looking at it the other way, if you put a small sticker that says "do not do X" and even one person follows that, isn't that therefore an "effective" method?

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

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I got the feeling that these features should be part of a browser extension the same way as there are AdBlock extensions. I guess the reason it is not is "personal preference" of the author, or is there some technical reason?

I don't know for sure, but I would imagine there are more severe actions taken against circumventing paid material (content behind a paywall) than there is for free content supplemented by advertisements.. Edit : The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) prohibits circumventing an effective technological means of control that restricts access to a copyrighted work. I guess that would apply here.

> The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) prohibits circumventing an effective technological means of control that restricts access to a copyrighted work. I guess that would apply here.

It doesn't if you're not in the US.

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

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What's UO? This would've been a great comment with a little more info :)

https://ublockorigin.com/ After install go to "Filter Lists" > Import ... > and add the url of the "list"... which is actually from a different repo: https://gitlab.com/magnolia1234/bypass-paywalls-clean-filter... Note: this apparently works for fewer sites than the linked extension.

Thank you for the insight. I usually hesitate to install add-ons, but now I can avoid that step entirely based on your advice.

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

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Archive.today never fails compared to Archive.org or various browser extensions To remove paywalls 12ft<Archive.org<Archive.today is my opinion.

For some reason all the alternative "archive.XYZXDHWIQHDQ" type of sites always give me a captcha page, and I am never able to proceed. I'm assuming its to do with the cloudflare DNS, well if they don't care to fix it on their end, I don't care to use their service.

Copying my previous comment over because I found a fix that works for me:

There's some issue with DNS over HTTPS, so you have to whitelist their sites in your settings, or turn off DNS over HTTPS (which I don't recommend).

To whitelist, on Firefox: Hamburger menu > settings > privacy and security > DNS over HTTPS > Manage exceptions > Add "archive.is", "archive.ph", and "archive.today"

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