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Re: Show HN: Thoughts on Flash in 2023, in Flash, in 2023

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Loved this, it's something I think about a lot. I "grew up on the internet" and spent a lot of time in my youth making flash games/videos for me and my friends and we always had such a great time. Even today, 20-some years later, a lot of our vernacular from flash videos still finds its way into our speech- "fire ze missles", "badger badger badger SNAKE", that kind of thing. The bit at the end about "the old ways" st…

I love the star wars rap and wee. "When you're a kid an you wanna go wee but you ain't got drugs yet, you hold on to your life, you hold on to your gonads and strife, gonads and strife x3 , gonads in the lightning in the the lightning in the the rain weee."

"It's not the east or the west side - no it's not, it's not the north or the south side - no its not, it's the dark side - you are correct. So for all you Vader haters we'll blow your planet up. What is thy bidding my master, it's a disaster, Skywalker we're after, but if he could be turned to the dark side, yes, we'd have a powerful ally..."

That was the internet I loved, pre Facebook, pre cookie banners, pre everything bad nowadays. Better times too, everyone knew the Dubyas were full of shit and most people didn't go haywire yet with the gender crap and the 15 years of Islam hate terrorism brainwashing etc. Work was fun because "SOLID" and OO fetish wasn't there yet, no k8s, no cloud, no microservices. Living was less difficult. And you could actually find things to buy in local stores vs Amazon swallowing everything. You could also say anything without bullshit censorship. Steam was new and didn't have much power. MMORPGs were big and the social networks of that time, besides ICQ which was a falling star but the main platform to send messages, also MSN messenger. I don't want to know the amount of spying that was going on there. Summers were warm but not the burning hell of today. See you in 20 years and 45-50°C in Northern Europe. There were forums everywhere, not just that abomination reddit. Google still had the don't be evil slogan and getting into adsense wasn't impossible like it's nowadays. Layers ads were a thing. No bootstrap meant colorful and diverse websites. And then came Facebook and turned everything into shit.

Re: Show HN: Thoughts on Flash in 2023, in Flash, in 2023

#53
I was a huge Flash nerd, all the way since Macromedia Flash 5. I learnt programming with Flash 5 and action script. I have been at it until Flash 8. Then I stopped putting effort to keep-up and eventually Flash died.

Something was lost in the internet culture. Flash was the language of web art. I don't know what is the new language for that anymore.

If anyone knows, please do tell me. WebGL? Any WebGL-powered framework? What is it?

Re: Show HN: Thoughts on Flash in 2023, in Flash, in 2023

#54
I owe my career to Flash. I got started because my school would block game sites, and we weren't allowed to play games at lunch time. I used Flash to learn how to make games and then play them in School. If anyone said I couldn't play games, I would respond with "I'm learning to make the game", and they would give me a pass.

It's the reason I got into scripting/programming, and I'm now a web developer.

Re: Show HN: Thoughts on Flash in 2023, in Flash, in 2023

#55
Brilliant and lovely, well done.

I think the applicability of techniques go both ways. Similar to what Sarah's dad said, I see research in ML now which rehashes expertise from many decades ago. Conversely, I see the demoscene implementing ideas on old hardware that, as you said, it would have been amazing if the technique was known at the time, but it simply wasn't conceivable then. It's only with advances in tech and lowering of technical barriers that new ideas are explored.

In any case, it's compelling to see people's expertise applied wherever.

Re: Show HN: Thoughts on Flash in 2023, in Flash, in 2023

#56

I was a huge Flash nerd, all the way since Macromedia Flash 5. I learnt programming with Flash 5 and action script. I have been at it until Flash 8. Then I stopped putting effort to keep-up and eventually Flash died. Something was lost in the internet culture. Flash was the language of web art. I don't know what is the new language for that anymore. If anyone knows, please do tell me. WebGL? Any WebGL-powered framewo…

Nothing. The ease with which Flash allowed one to create all these web experiences, with little to no programming, is still unmatched to this day.

Re: Show HN: Thoughts on Flash in 2023, in Flash, in 2023

#58
Flash literally changed my life. I wouldn't be who I am without it. I owe everything to it.

Without Flash, I wouldn't have most of my friends who I met via the VKontakte app developer community. My career would have been vastly different because I was later hired to that same VKontakte thanks to my previous participation in Flash app developer contests. I got quite a bit of my programming skills from ActionScript as well. Flash decompilers taught me reverse engineering.

I sincerely hope that at some point in the future Flash will see a resurgence. Ruffle in particular brings that moment closer. There is still no good open-source Flash authoring software though. I may try to fix that myself when I'm done with the rest of my project ideas.

Re: Show HN: Thoughts on Flash in 2023, in Flash, in 2023

#59

I was a huge Flash nerd, all the way since Macromedia Flash 5. I learnt programming with Flash 5 and action script. I have been at it until Flash 8. Then I stopped putting effort to keep-up and eventually Flash died. Something was lost in the internet culture. Flash was the language of web art. I don't know what is the new language for that anymore. If anyone knows, please do tell me. WebGL? Any WebGL-powered framewo…

Adobe Animate.

Re: Show HN: Thoughts on Flash in 2023, in Flash, in 2023

#60
post #43

You weren't kidding about it chugging on mobile. I'm on a Google Pixel 6 and it crashed my browser :'D. Perhaps it can be used as a nice stres test for Ruffle. Also, I would appreciate some screenshots showing where and how Ruffle differs from Flash, it's not like I can install Flash plugin on a current browser and check for myself.

Ruffle is an open-source reimplementation of Flash player. The only differences there are stem from the fact that Ruffle is still very much a work in progress.

While you can't install a plugin any more, you can still install a standalone Flash player. I even have it on my M1 Mac. Works surprisingly well.

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