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Show HN: Machato — A native macOS client for ChatGPT

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Re: Show HN: Machato — A native macOS client for ChatGPT

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Post by Etheryte »

alfalfasprout wrote: post #20
fliife wrote: post #6

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Multiple factors made me implement this: - ChatGPT Plus is crazy expensive, and the free tier is often down. I found it especially frustrating to not get access to my chat history when ChatGPT's load was high. Since alternative clients go through the API, their are exempt from load balancing. - A native client is lightweight and doesn't rely on web technologies. This is a matter of personal taste, but I like the look…

it's $20/mo... that's pretty cheap no?

If you're from the US, it's roughly 0.03% of the average monthly income [0], if you're from Afganistan it's 60% of the average monthly income. What's cheap for you isn't cheap for others.

[0] https://www.worlddata.info/average-income.php

Re: Show HN: Machato — A native macOS client for ChatGPT

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Post by dmje »

fliife wrote: post #48
dmje wrote: post #46

Just bought it but it turns out I can't use it with Monterey :-(

I'll add some warning on the sales page, sorry about that. Ask for a refund (email me through gumroad), I'll approve it.

Thank you, appreciate the quick response, and the refund :-)

Re: Show HN: Machato — A native macOS client for ChatGPT

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Post by rashkov »

JieJie wrote: post #33
Method-X wrote: post #11

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Not even kidding, I would pay $1000 USD per month for GPT4 access.

You know you can use phind.com with GPT4 access in both expert and creative mode? It's fine-tuned for writing code, but it's good for other stuff, too. Or do you mean API access? There is a form to fill out and they seem to be pretty generous with handing out access. https://openai.com/waitlist/gpt-4-api (edit: They didn't email me, I checked one day and I was able to use model="GPT-4", but not the 32K model.)

Wow, is phind completely free? How do you know that they're using GPT under the hood for their answers?

edit: found their ShowHN https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34884338 Anyway thanks for this recommendation!

Re: Show HN: Machato — A native macOS client for ChatGPT

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Post by joshka »

Method-X wrote: post #11
fliife wrote: post #10

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Depends on your usage, I guess. I personnaly couldn't justify it. In the last few weeks, I've used the API extensively and total cost comes to a few dollars max. Admittedly, the API doesn't provide nearly as many features as ChatGPT Plus does. To each their own !

Not even kidding, I would pay $1000 USD per month for GPT4 access.

Got off the waitlist for GPT4 the other day and have been experimenting with it a bunch for coding tasks (generation, review, planning, bug fixing etc.). I prefer 3.5 for the speed and cost and move to 4 for accuracy / detail when necessary.

Re: Show HN: Machato — A native macOS client for ChatGPT

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Post by TheHappyOddish »

smcleod wrote: post #13
Method-X wrote: post #7

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> ChatGPT Plus is crazy expensive $20 per month is not crazy expensive relative to the value it provides.

*$20USD per month ($30AUD), which is pretty damn expensive when you don't live in the USA. The USD has been inflated in value for so long now we have to be careful what we buy in that currency.

$30 AUD is not super expensive in Australia either, pub meal is about that these days.

Re: Show HN: Machato — A native macOS client for ChatGPT

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Post by smcleod »

TheHappyOddish wrote: post #55
smcleod wrote: post #13

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*$20USD per month ($30AUD), which is pretty damn expensive when you don't live in the USA. The USD has been inflated in value for so long now we have to be careful what we buy in that currency.

$30 AUD is not super expensive in Australia either, pub meal is about that these days.

That's a lot of money for some people; especially when everything is a subscription these days.

Re: Show HN: Machato — A native macOS client for ChatGPT

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Post by motoboi »

Method-X wrote: post #25
motoboi wrote: post #23

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Well, soon you'll can. Just select the GPT-4 32k and voila. 30 dollars a day.

I'm on the waiting list for GPT4 API access. Giving this thing an entire projects codebase will be super interesting!

i have been using it for some time. Great, but it has a tendency to give short answers and don't use the full context available. even if you set the max response size to 20k.

Re: Show HN: Machato — A native macOS client for ChatGPT

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Post by Method-X »

motoboi wrote: post #57
Method-X wrote: post #25

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I'm on the waiting list for GPT4 API access. Giving this thing an entire projects codebase will be super interesting!

i have been using it for some time. Great, but it has a tendency to give short answers and don't use the full context available. even if you set the max response size to 20k.

Comparing it to pasting code into GPT4 (the chat interface), how much better is it? I can't wait to see what this can do when an entire codebase can be held within the context window.

Re: Show HN: Machato — A native macOS client for ChatGPT

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Post by motoboi »

Method-X wrote: post #58
motoboi wrote: post #57

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i have been using it for some time. Great, but it has a tendency to give short answers and don't use the full context available. even if you set the max response size to 20k.

Comparing it to pasting code into GPT4 (the chat interface), how much better is it? I can't wait to see what this can do when an entire codebase can be held within the context window.

Yeah, it can help with some things, but if you ask it to, say, convert a python app to Go, even with plenty of context it will give you hints without full implementation.

I suppose they favored concise answers in the fine tunning process and reused the model to train the 32k.

Things that I have been doing: paste full table DDL with entities and other classes involved and asking for some refactoring of a class. Also that and some stacktraces. It definitely helps, but the price (at least on azure) make me think twice before using.

Also azure playground is awful.

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