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Show HN: Using GPT-3 and Whisper to save doctors’ time

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Re: Show HN: Using GPT-3 and Whisper to save doctors’ time

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last time I went to the doctor it was free. I just like to point out the small advantages of living in Europe now and again

I'm not sure you understand the definition of free.

If I had never paid any tax in my life it would have been the same price. If I were a refuge, child, homeless person it would have been the same price. If I had lost my job due to being sick it would have been the same price.

That is my definition of free

Re: Show HN: Using GPT-3 and Whisper to save doctors’ time

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> This allows doctors to be fully focused on their consultation Here's the thing: rigorous medical documentation is not a burden on the practitioner, but rather an integral part of treating someone. You need detailed historical data to diagnose some tricky conditions and treat them correctly. What's the tool doing to prevent a practitioner from simply blindly copy-pasting the output without verifying it? > and saves…

Unfortunately I've had interactions with the medical system where the doctors wrote their after meeting notes with severe errors and pieces of fiction, as well as specialists who almost ran out of the room after 5 minutes of an appointment they billed 45 minutes for to the insurance. I doubt such cases are rare and I suspect this sort of product, which I'm a priori neutral about, would change the situation much for the worse.

Re: Show HN: Using GPT-3 and Whisper to save doctors’ time

#53

My worry is verification of facts. What if the model summarized incorrect facts, and it gets added to the medical history? How can doctors easily verify and fix things?

It’s easier to revise than to write a first draft. It’s possible to miss mistakes on review, but relatively, I think it’s more likely that a distracted human will mess something up on the first draft.

Re: Show HN: Using GPT-3 and Whisper to save doctors’ time

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post #6

Last time I went to the doctor, he charged me $300 to google symptoms on a computer. Now you're saying I get to pay $300 for him to ask ChatGPT? No thanks. We all know that is where this is going - doctor decision support system, i.e. the AI has access to information locked behind expensive journals that the patient does not.

Last time I asked a developer to fix a bug, he charged me $300 to google the api docs..! But this isn't even about the doctor asking GPT, this is transcribing the video call so the journaling becomes easier and the doctor can spend more time with their patients. A good thing, no?

Doctors are liability lightning rods who've gone through a professional hazing process to join an exclusive club that has massively warped American medicine through its lobbying efforts. Unless you're dealing with a specialist they're often not super competent - that's why doctors are being replaced with nurse practitioners and physicians assistants everywhere (to the point that you often won't ever see an actual doctor at a lot of medical facilities) and usually people are completely oblivious to the fact.

Pharmacists in other countries do a lot of the basic shit doctors in the USA do, with less overhead, for cheaper and with a much faster turnaround. Antibiotics, blood pressure/cholesterol meds, antidepressants and other rubber stamp drugs absolutely do not need to be strongly controlled.

Re: Show HN: Using GPT-3 and Whisper to save doctors’ time

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post #34
post #6

Last time I went to the doctor, he charged me $300 to google symptoms on a computer. Now you're saying I get to pay $300 for him to ask ChatGPT? No thanks. We all know that is where this is going - doctor decision support system, i.e. the AI has access to information locked behind expensive journals that the patient does not.

If my doctor is googling he is doing his job. He has medical knowledge which allows him to sort through information. Any developer who doesn't google today is hindering his ability to develop and slowing the development process. Just like the dev cannot hold all the algorithms and language caveats/syntax in his head, a physician cannot hold all the information in his brain. He may not be familiar with symptoms or mig…

I would find it suspect if my specialist was googling unless I had something really weird going on, and might consider going to a different specialist.

Re: Show HN: Using GPT-3 and Whisper to save doctors’ time

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> We then transcribe the consultation using a fine-tuned version of Whisper. We've trained Whisper with tens of thousands of hours of medical consultation and medical terms recordings, and we have now reached an error rate which is 3× lower than Google's Speech-To-Text.

I think the general idea is interesting but this is the wrong benchmark to convince people imo. What is the actual error rate of Google's Speech-to-Text on this your data? How convinced are you that it's properly labeled? That it's 3x lower isn't necessarily impressive. Then a follow up question... What I as a patient would want to know is something else, how does it compare against medical secretaries that usually transcribe documents like these?

Re: Show HN: Using GPT-3 and Whisper to save doctors’ time

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are so many regulations and certifications to do that there are no chances anyone will have money and time to do all paperwork to host it on-perm. Because of these regulatory reasons most hospitals use so old systems that it surprises no one to see Windows XP with IE6 there. I had the pleasure myself of fixing a Material Angular bug that wasn't displaying form fields validation correctly in IE6 only 2 years ago…

Off prem is also a rats nest of regulations.

Yes, but it's done once, on demand for each customer and service-wide certificates don't expire for a few years or releases, so the cost is lower.
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