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Show HN: Duffel (YC S18) – A faster way to sell flights

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Re: Show HN: Duffel (YC S18) – A faster way to sell flights

#51

It probably bodes a little poorly (either for the product, or for the product's applicability to this website) that almost every comment seems to be confused about what the product is or why anyone would ever use it. I've read the original post several times and I still don't understand myself. I read the main page and I can't tell if I'm meant to be in the target market or not. I clicked on Pricing and I don't under…

Just taking a stab at "who the customer is":

My friend runs a theatre in SF and would offer crazy packages for their VIP seating, think Uber Black taking you to the event, with a private entrance and red carpet.

I could see high end event sellers offering to include a flight to the event with the purchase of the ticket.

Re: Show HN: Duffel (YC S18) – A faster way to sell flights

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Travel and tourist guides.

Two industries that newer generations use less and less. I still don't understand how this got funded but what do I know.

I think it's more of a thing internationally? I could be wrong, but I definitely hear more of a talk of travel agents in europe.

Re: Show HN: Duffel (YC S18) – A faster way to sell flights

#53
I am a software engineer and travel agent on the side who only books flights and lives on flyertalk (because I find complex airfare to be a fascinating and fun optimization problem).

I don't understand how companies like this get any funding. From every angle it just seems exploitative.

For agents: Getting set up properly with a GDS is not necessarily expensive, but it is a huge pain, and most agents don't want to deal with airfare at all for that matter. If they don't want to do this properly, then they're arguably doing customers a disservice (and really they should just provide them a link to book the air part themselves, but that's a controversial take in the industry). But that said, this market for agents who don't want to deal with it and/or want to markup more to skim extra off the top is very crowded with consolidators, airline portals, etc.

For customers: this is just a worse google flights that actively suppresses price transparency. It forces a new middleperson, Duffel, in the picture whenever you need to change flights (increasing latency). It enables agents to skim off the top, and with the exorbitant fees it practically guarantees worse pricing than other channels.

I can (and do) routinely issue tickets with $0 fees, always same or lower price vs if the customer booked it themselves. I also still make significant commission (sometimes over 20% on quite expensive tickets). The customer gets tickets that are cheaper or far too complex to book on any self booking website. Everyone comes out ahead. Maybe Duffel passes the (very occasional) private fare savings along, but I doubt it. Instead, they're probably doing the opposite and pocketing at least some of the commission and not even sharing it with the agent. Most experienced agents charge some fees.. that's fine. But with Duffel, those CC fees are so incredibly high that it forces agents to charge higher fees (keep in mind that in the normal scenario there is $0 true cost here. The airline is the one that charges the card - you're just giving them the CC info).

So the target is agents that don't really know how airfare works and haven't put in the effort to get set up properly (either themselves or through a partnership with an existing agency)? And it shows on the pricing page: *What if I want to use my own IATA or ARC accreditation?* *That’s no problem! If you have your own accreditation and would like to use it please contact us to discuss pricing and next steps.* Translation: "If you actually know what you're doing, we can't price gouge you so contact us to work something out."

And more insulting, from my perspective as a software engineer, they likely aren't solving any technical problems in the airline industry! Their travel consultant job postings are for people with GDS experience. So they are just using the same GDS and NDC APIs that everyone uses, skimming off the top, and charging more than real payment portals potentially just to hand the airline a credit card number.

Everyone loses except greedy agents stepping outside of their skillset to upcharge and have a customized page that matches their brand.

Re: Show HN: Duffel (YC S18) – A faster way to sell flights

#54
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> Quickly and dynamically add markups to fares when creating a link and easily charge your customers. What's the customer benefit to using a random site to book tickets they could already book on something like Google Flights without a markup? Who handles support for rebookings, cancelations, etc.? It's bad enough having to go through an OTA with airlines/hotels when there's a problem; they tell you to call Expedia.

This wouldn't be a random site: it could be your bank, an hotel, an events/experiences marketplaces, etc. And there would be a reason for them to offer flights alongside their core experience: it might be they want to enable you to redeem points for travel, have special deals with airlines that they want to pass along to their customers or there's a benefit from a UX standpoint to selling you flights alongside other…

> The airline systems don't always let you do everything programmatically so at that point whoever is selling the flight who be in charge of the customer.

OK, so this is my sticking point.

There are horror stories of Expedia somehow accidentally not booking the flights they've sold. You get to the airport, there's no ticket and no seat. Airline says "nothing we can do, call Expedia".

They can't call Duffel. I can't fix it programmatically. Customer's sitting angry at an airport, honeymoon ruined. What happens?

Re: Show HN: Duffel (YC S18) – A faster way to sell flights

#55

It probably bodes a little poorly (either for the product, or for the product's applicability to this website) that almost every comment seems to be confused about what the product is or why anyone would ever use it. I've read the original post several times and I still don't understand myself. I read the main page and I can't tell if I'm meant to be in the target market or not. I clicked on Pricing and I don't under…

What immediately came to my mind for me are ticket/event websites and travel blogs. Allow your customers to book travel to the event or to the location you mentioned directly through your site.

Re: Show HN: Duffel (YC S18) – A faster way to sell flights

#56

It probably bodes a little poorly (either for the product, or for the product's applicability to this website) that almost every comment seems to be confused about what the product is or why anyone would ever use it. I've read the original post several times and I still don't understand myself. I read the main page and I can't tell if I'm meant to be in the target market or not. I clicked on Pricing and I don't under…

Thank you for the feedback. The point on not knowing whether you're in the target market or not is absolutely valid and something we should make a lot clearer on that page. Re: pricing: our main product is our Flights API ( https://duffel.com/flights ). Links is a new product we're launching today that lets you sell flights without having to write an integration with our API. You can access our API on our free plan b…

I think the confusion here is much more basic: what does it mean to “sell flights” and why would I do it? How do I know if I’m someone who can sell flights? I in fact don’t own an airline, so what does that mean!

I suspect there’s a bit of “curse of knowledge” at play here. You’ve spent a bunch of time in this space and we haven’t. If your target audience is all people who know this stuff then this might not be a problem, but just thought I’d try to clarify.

Re: Show HN: Duffel (YC S18) – A faster way to sell flights

#57

It probably bodes a little poorly (either for the product, or for the product's applicability to this website) that almost every comment seems to be confused about what the product is or why anyone would ever use it. I've read the original post several times and I still don't understand myself. I read the main page and I can't tell if I'm meant to be in the target market or not. I clicked on Pricing and I don't under…

Thank you for the feedback. The point on not knowing whether you're in the target market or not is absolutely valid and something we should make a lot clearer on that page. Re: pricing: our main product is our Flights API ( https://duffel.com/flights ). Links is a new product we're launching today that lets you sell flights without having to write an integration with our API. You can access our API on our free plan b…

> "Spend management: Unlock incremental revenue" means It's a page dedicated to spend management platforms that are looking to unlock extra revenue with travel

I'm going to assume this is another case of being so immersed in the jargon that you don't realize that this is meaningless to most people.

My initial understanding is "how do I spend management? It it like a currency?"

The I realized that "spend management" is jargon for "managing your company's spending," I'm guessing. So... companies that sell spend-management platforms to other companies also want to sell them flights? Forget it, I'm still confused. Clearly I'm not the target audience, though, so it's ok.

Re: Show HN: Duffel (YC S18) – A faster way to sell flights

#59
I'm interested in using "Links" as a redemption flow for a points program. Is there a way to limit the maximum redemption price for a given link we generate, and is there a way to cancel outstanding links via api?

edit: reading about it further, it looks like "Links" collects payment from the user, and hence won't work here.

Re: Show HN: Duffel (YC S18) – A faster way to sell flights

#60
post #53

I am a software engineer and travel agent on the side who only books flights and lives on flyertalk (because I find complex airfare to be a fascinating and fun optimization problem). I don't understand how companies like this get any funding. From every angle it just seems exploitative. For agents: Getting set up properly with a GDS is not necessarily expensive, but it is a huge pain, and most agents don't want to de…

What's your flyertalk handle? Interested in your services!
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