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Re: Show HN: SadServers – Test your Linux troubleshooting skills

#51

My only feedback is that this is unrealistic because today developers wouldn’t try to debug something, they’d just destroy the instance, push a commit and hope it fixed something infra related then recreate it. Why would you need to understand how something works? Just use containers. /s

Developers just need to understand everything because we need developers to do everything and meet all deadlines. We wouldn't dare consider a support role that could troubleshoot it because then there would be no point to having developers that can do everything! /s

Re: Show HN: SadServers – Test your Linux troubleshooting skills

#52

Are you familiar with Trueability? https://www.trueability.com/ It seems like this is a similar SaaS.

Didn't know about this one. There's quite a few labs/sandbox SaaS but what I've seen so far is that they are more for training with a "follow the recipe" model (do this do that to configure something, rather than "this (real) server is broken, fix it (with possibly different solutions)" which imho is more real-life and useful.

Re: Show HN: SadServers – Test your Linux troubleshooting skills

#53

> It's also my not-so-secret hope that a sophisticated enough version of SadServers could be used by tech companies (or for companies that carry on job interviews on their behalf) to automate or facilitate the Linux troubleshooting interview section. Yup, that's what I was afraid of.

The Redhat Certified System Admin, Redhat Certified System Engineer and similar tests require practical, general hands-on skills to solve broken systems. The performance tuning and troubleshooting exams go into more detail and more complex scenarios. No internet access, but resources are available if you understand how to use them. Would never suggest people should solely hire on those certs, but if someone takes the time to complete 7 hands on tests for the certified architect certification, it's a strong indicator they have skills.

Even so, test taking can be stressful but it's arguably less stressful than actual production support with people waiting on the result. Whether people really want to put candidates in a stressful situation is up to them. Sadserver seems like it's somewhere in the middle vs some of the things I've seen. One job interview put me in a room with a boot cd, and an ancient computer with a cdrom so slow you got exactly one chance to boot the media and recover the system in the time limit. But the job was for a trading company, so if you couldn't handle that they didn't want you. It was a fun exercise but would I do that to someone else? Probably not.

Re: Show HN: SadServers – Test your Linux troubleshooting skills

#54
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did you read up on the problems with leetcode?

Hi, not sure what the question means, I came up with the scenarios not copying from leetcode if that's what you mean.

I think they mean 'are you aware of the limitations of Leetcode-like tests and the downsides of their (over)use in hiring processes?'

(FWIW I think this is a very cool and fun educational project regardless of what usefulness it might or might not have in IT hiring decisions, and I'm looking forward to playing with it)

Re: Show HN: SadServers – Test your Linux troubleshooting skills

#56
post #52

Are you familiar with Trueability? https://www.trueability.com/ It seems like this is a similar SaaS.

Didn't know about this one. There's quite a few labs/sandbox SaaS but what I've seen so far is that they are more for training with a "follow the recipe" model (do this do that to configure something, rather than "this (real) server is broken, fix it (with possibly different solutions)" which imho is more real-life and useful.

I believe the company was founded by some coworkers of mine way back when at Rackspace who often interviewed Linux admins with a lab VM and I assume they just automated the setup and spun it off as their own business. At least that's what happened as far as I can tell; I didn't know the parties involved.

Re: Show HN: SadServers – Test your Linux troubleshooting skills

#58
Very cool! This reminds me of the ops challenge @ Slack. I'm not sure if they still do this, but the SRE/platform infra interview used to involve a VM running a malfunctioning LAMP stack.

You'd get SSH access to the VM, then submit a diagnostic report of what was broken (and how you fixed it).

Reminded me of how Red Hat used to run their certification test (RHCE). I probably still have the live CDs for my RHCE laying around somewhere.

Re: Show HN: SadServers – Test your Linux troubleshooting skills

#60

My only feedback is that this is unrealistic because today developers wouldn’t try to debug something, they’d just destroy the instance, push a commit and hope it fixed something infra related then recreate it. Why would you need to understand how something works? Just use containers. /s

If most developers can't debug a VM, then anyone who can will be able to charge a premium. If you have a proficiency in ops, remember that the next time you negotiate a compensation package.

[Edited my compensation numbers to avoid down votes - yikes]

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