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Re: Show HN: Subtitles are not the same as sign language

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the part where it says "the word order is strange" is implying that they don't know how to read properly

I'm sorry but, I don't know how it's possible to read that and interpret it to imply that deaf people can't read. It's a strange question to ask. Maybe it's the word order that throws them off.

Read the other replies to the question and educate yourself.

Re: Show HN: Subtitles are not the same as sign language

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That is because American Sign Language has a different sentence structure and grammar from English. It's a rather understandable result of a person being raised to communicate in one language "verbally" and a different language to communicate in text. To give one example, ASL puts negation and inquisition at the end of sentences. If I want to ask, "What is this?" in ASL I would point to the thing I am curious about a…

i acknowledge that ASL is different from english, but i refuse to believe that deaf people can't read

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Re: Show HN: Subtitles are not the same as sign language

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>You are excluding more than 700 million people from your content. I'm sorry, but that is not a believable stat. You mean to tell me close to 1/10 of the planet is deaf and speaks ASL and doesn't read a written language? I'm all for the project. I'm 100% in favor of increasing accessibility. I just don't believe that stat. Are you sure it isn't 700k? That'd be more reasonable considering Wikipedia says a 1972 survey…

came here to say this, it is a ridiculuous number given ~70M deaf people in the world.

Re: Show HN: Subtitles are not the same as sign language

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>You are excluding more than 700 million people from your content. I'm sorry, but that is not a believable stat. You mean to tell me close to 1/10 of the planet is deaf and speaks ASL and doesn't read a written language? I'm all for the project. I'm 100% in favor of increasing accessibility. I just don't believe that stat. Are you sure it isn't 700k? That'd be more reasonable considering Wikipedia says a 1972 survey…

There aren’t even 700 million people in the entire world who have any form of hearing loss. The rate is 5%. OP should clean up that marketing pitch. I think it’s a good service that doesn’t have to be sold by shaming the potential customer. Source: https://disabilitease.com/percentage-world-deaf/

> Thanks for your source. I will update the number!

Re: Show HN: Subtitles are not the same as sign language

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post #51
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry but, I don't know how it's possible to read that and interpret it to imply that deaf people can't read. It's a strange question to ask. Maybe it's the word order that throws them off.

Read the other replies to the question and educate yourself.

Not sure why you feel the need to respond with that sort of hasty, passive aggressive suggestion.

The way I read their comments is that it's akin to hearing that someone learned Spanish (which has different ordering than english) as their first language and asking, "So you can't read a book?". It comes off as wildly naive, with a flavor of offensiveness that you seem to be accusing me of.

Re: Show HN: Subtitles are not the same as sign language

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post #56
post #51

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Read the other replies to the question and educate yourself.

Not sure why you feel the need to respond with that sort of hasty, passive aggressive suggestion. The way I read their comments is that it's akin to hearing that someone learned Spanish (which has different ordering than english) as their first language and asking, "So you can't read a book?". It comes off as wildly naive, with a flavor of offensiveness that you seem to be accusing me of.

You still don't understand. Deaf people have a hard time reading, for good reasons. Your example makes no sense, since Spanish is a written language.

Re: Show HN: Subtitles are not the same as sign language

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post #56

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Not sure why you feel the need to respond with that sort of hasty, passive aggressive suggestion. The way I read their comments is that it's akin to hearing that someone learned Spanish (which has different ordering than english) as their first language and asking, "So you can't read a book?". It comes off as wildly naive, with a flavor of offensiveness that you seem to be accusing me of.

You still don't understand. Deaf people have a hard time reading, for good reasons. Your example makes no sense, since Spanish is a written language.

Friend, I think you're really stretching to be angry towards me and in the process you're deeply and ironically completely missing the point I was originally attempting to make.

At no point did I even say whether I believe they do or whether I believe they don't have a hard time reading. I genuinely, from the bottom of my heart, don't understand how you're interpreting my words as if I'm incapable understanding that barriers exist. You're effectively implying that I'm a bigot for thinking no challenges exist, when that's not a position I've even remotely taken. Like, of course challenges exist and I'm stunned that anyone would even begin to consider that challenges wouldn't exist!

Word for word, the question I responded to is, "So deaf people can't read books?"

My question was in response to the asinine, bordering offensive, question of whether deaf people hold the intellectual capacity to learn how to read. They did not ask if it's difficult for deaf people to read, nor did they ask any question about what challenges there are. Their question was whether it's an impossibility for deaf people to read, fullstop.

Good grief..

Re: Show HN: Subtitles are not the same as sign language

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post #18

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I think this is a good question, because I had always thought of American Sign Language (ASL) as a transcription of English. But I learned that ASL is a language all of its own, grammar and syntax are not always the same. In college, I learned a bit of a sign language- "C Sign" - that is actually an adaptation of English. At the time, C Sign was the thing that hearing, native English speakers were taught as a way to…

I think you mean SEE, not C? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signing_Exact_English

Ah, yes. My mistake.

Honestly we never spelled it or wrote it down.

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