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Re: Show HN: If VS Code had a data-centric IDE sibling, what would that look like?

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Jetbrains has one specifically for this: DataSpell - https://www.jetbrains.com/dataspell/ . It's like a tweaked version of DataGrip + PyCharm, but catering specifically to the particular needs of data scientists.

I just got this to make working with Zeppelin worksheets more bearable. It's such an improvement over the web interface, it's hard to describe. At least for someone already used to their software. As a bonus, I also get the best Cassandra GUI I've seen so far.

Re: Show HN: If VS Code had a data-centric IDE sibling, what would that look like?

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Followup: Is there a VSCodium equivalent for that (reproducible build, no tracking)

I think there isn't, and if there is it would be illegal: > You may not sublicense the Software Code or any use of it https://github.com/microsoft/azuredatastudio/blob/main/LICEN...

To publish a version of Azure Data Studio with open-source binaries would fall under copy/modification rules, which are explicitly allowed in the license:

> Microsoft Corporation ("Microsoft") grants you a nonexclusive, perpetual, royalty-free right to use, copy, and modify the software code provided by us ("Software Code").

It would not be a sublicense.

Re: Show HN: If VS Code had a data-centric IDE sibling, what would that look like?

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It would look like Datagrip without the ridiculous yearly subscriptions.

It's likely because I buy 'individual' license, so my costs are lower, but I'm not sure what's all that 'ridiculous' about the subscription. If you pay for a year, you get that version forever, just without updates to newer versions. VERY similar to ... back in the 90s... going to a store and buying a CD with software on it, and using it 'forever'. Eventually, it didn't work with newer stuff, so you upgraded to a new…

That is a really fantastic model. It makes so much sense in retrospect. Kudos to all at Jetbrains!

Re: Show HN: If VS Code had a data-centric IDE sibling, what would that look like?

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It would look like Datagrip without the ridiculous yearly subscriptions.

Their subscriptions couldn't possibly be fairer. An annual individual license costs what, two hours of wages? And you get a perpetual fallback, and a 40% continuity discount. It's incredibly reasonable.

Even more "incredibly reasonable" behaviour: giving 30 day access to EAPs which always seem to be updated every 30 days anyway means that almost anyone could, with a bit of work, use their products for 'free' long term.

I know the price is going up in Oct, and I will likely 'buy ahead' 2-3 years at the current price now to save a bit extra.

Re: Show HN: If VS Code had a data-centric IDE sibling, what would that look like?

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As I work mostly on MSSQL Server, the sweet spot for me is SSMS with RedGate SQL Prompt. For non-MSSQL things, it's usually DBeaver. No need for a new IDE for me.

DBeaver is my go-to for anything that it supports (PostgreSQL, mainly). It's glorious.

Re: Show HN: If VS Code had a data-centric IDE sibling, what would that look like?

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> Microsoft has a fork of VS Code called Azure Data Studio It's pretty buggy, and they haven't made much progress on fixing the bugs. I've used it pretty much since it came out - I do Microsoft SQL Server & Postgres work on my Mac - and the thousands of open issues on a relatively new product say something: https://github.com/microsoft/azuredatastudio/issues

I've also had queries (usually really large ones) run without issue in SSMS but crash Azure Data Studio. The only advantages that Azure Data Studio really has over SSMS is that it's a lot snappier (unless you're working with really large queries) and it has a dark mode. Other than that SSMS seems better in just about every way still.

SSMS is also a multi-GB install full of stuff not useful to anyone who isn't a 100% fulltime DBA versus Azure Data Studio is barely more than the usual Electron app install footprint and leaves the lesser needed functions to plugins/extensions, and ADS supports cross platform work (the above commenter mentions working on macOS) where SSMS is not cross platform at all. Azure Data Studio has plenty of advantages over SSMS.

As a developer, I understand my need to have all 20-120+ GBs of Visual Studio installed, but between SSDT in Visual Studio and Azure Data Studio, I am happy to avoid spending all that hard drive space on SSMS for features I don't need as a developer.

Re: Show HN: If VS Code had a data-centric IDE sibling, what would that look like?

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I’m curious: what would need to be added to Excel to do this?

My guess (some if this we already have, some we don't): - automation: integration of heuristics (multiple columns that you can program via formulas and such) - exploration: finding outliers or most similar records given some reference (e.g. "I want to label more rows that are about business news in some extent") - monitoring - labelmanagement [which we don't offer yet in the extent we'd like to]: merging and splittin…

Do NLP users use Excel naturally already?
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