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Re: Show HN: Tally Forms – A free Typeform alternative

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Post by flowerbreeze »

stronglikedan wrote: post #47
SamBam wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

+1. Collecting personal information such as real names, payments, phone numbers, etc. on users without their explicit consent (hitting a submit button) is absolutely unethical.

just add, "anything you type into our forms may be captured". explicit consent, one and done

I don't think that would qualify as explicit consent. According to GDPR consent would have to be: "freely given, specific, informed and unambiguous indication of the data subject's wishes by which he or she, by a statement or by a clear affirmative action, signifies agreement to the processing of personal data relating to him or her."

How could "anything you type into our forms may be captured" be construed as a clear affirmative action by the person entering data into the form that has a submit button for submitting the data?

Also, to make it unambiguous and informed, it would at least have to be a very-very obvious statement, which would make it useless for the sneaky purposes, wouldn't it?

Edit: I know it's not only GDPR that is being discussed, but I think would follow the same definition.

Re: Show HN: Tally Forms – A free Typeform alternative

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Post by monkeydust »

flowerbreeze wrote: post #51
stronglikedan wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

just add, "anything you type into our forms may be captured". explicit consent, one and done

I don't think that would qualify as explicit consent. According to GDPR consent would have to be: "freely given, specific, informed and unambiguous indication of the data subject's wishes by which he or she, by a statement or by a clear affirmative action, signifies agreement to the processing of personal data relating to him or her." How could "anything you type into our forms may be captured" be construed as a clea…

Yea unfortunately I agree and stops me using it at least in a corporate capacity which would have been a paid for account.

May use for personal use though, for free.

Re: Show HN: Tally Forms – A free Typeform alternative

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Post by pedalpete »

oefrha wrote: post #22

Very nice product! That said, > Partial submissions > Collect answers from people who filled in a part of your form, but didn’t click the submit button. Capture data from lost leads, find drop off points and improve your conversion rates. From a user point of view, I really hate this. I’d say collecting data about drop off points is fine, but secretly collecting answers not intended for submission is a dark pattern t…

I'm not sure I understand here this issue. When I'm using typeform, and I click "next" or scroll to the next question, I've always assumed that has meant "submit this answer".

I don't consider the entire thing a form, and at some point I may go "ok, I'm done answering your questions, I don't want to do this anymore", and I leave. I don't assume at that point that nothing has happened. I answered a bunch of questions and gave you the data.

Do other people really look at this UI as if it was a single form, rather than a submit per entry?

Re: Show HN: Tally Forms – A free Typeform alternative

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Post by jono_wilson »

pedalpete wrote: post #54
oefrha wrote: post #22

Very nice product! That said, > Partial submissions > Collect answers from people who filled in a part of your form, but didn’t click the submit button. Capture data from lost leads, find drop off points and improve your conversion rates. From a user point of view, I really hate this. I’d say collecting data about drop off points is fine, but secretly collecting answers not intended for submission is a dark pattern t…

I'm not sure I understand here this issue. When I'm using typeform, and I click "next" or scroll to the next question, I've always assumed that has meant "submit this answer". I don't consider the entire thing a form, and at some point I may go "ok, I'm done answering your questions, I don't want to do this anymore", and I leave. I don't assume at that point that nothing has happened. I answered a bunch of questions…

I agree with you, that's how I viewed it. I've distributed typeform in the past and thought it would have been nice and acceptable to record partial answers given that each step feels like a submission; kind of like if I enter my shipping address in step 1 of a checkout process, it is stored once I move to the billing address in step 2.

Re: Show HN: Tally Forms – A free Typeform alternative

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Post by dinkleberg »

lf-non wrote: post #46

Lovely product, but the choice of name may result in some legal trouble down the line. Tally is a well known accounting software https://tallysolutions.com/

The two solutions don't seem to overlap at all. I'm not a lawyer, but it doesn't seem like they'd have a strong case.

Re: Show HN: Tally Forms – A free Typeform alternative

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Post by dinkleberg »

anyfactor wrote: post #39

Is this built by Notion labs? This has to be atleast the 3rd thing I saw on the internet that made me think this was made by Notion. At this point Notion ought to just release a CSS framework.

They say good artists copy, great artists steal.

If you don't have a dedicated designer or are just lacking a unique aesthetic vision then mimicking those who are succeeding isn't a bad move.

Re: Show HN: Tally Forms – A free Typeform alternative

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Post by tomtheelder »

1p1e1 wrote: post #36
cldellow wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I misread the OP, but I took their point to be that the feature "violates [...] user's privacy." To say you agree, but it's OK because people pay you for it suggests that you don't really agree.

That wasn't my point. I meant the feature is available to a very small subset of our users. Then even a smaller subset chooses to use it and I believe, it's up to the form creator to add a disclaimer on why this is necessary for their use case.

I'm not usually a big privacy person, but the way you're responding to this is a dealbreaker. This feature is fundamentally unethical. The fact that it's paywalled and not everyone uses it changes nothing.

Re: Show HN: Tally Forms – A free Typeform alternative

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Post by rmbyrro »

jklinger410 wrote: post #43
mattkevan wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a terrible idea - the data isn’t yours until it’s been explicitly given. A few years ago I was the UX lead at a big uk website. At the time, the commercial team were wanting to steal unsubmitted personal data from forms and just couldn’t grasp why it was so wrong. I’d been fighting them on it for ages, but thankfully a few other large sites got into trouble for doing it and I was able to convince the business…

> This is a terrible idea - the data isn’t yours until it’s been explicitly given. I couldn't disagree more. I think the owner of a website should be able to track whatever information they please about your session.

Would you also support Wallmart following you around their store, keeping track of which isles you walked, which way you looked, conversations you had with your spouse next to you as you shopped, etc?

It's their store. They should be entitled to own everything about you when you walk into their store, right?

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