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Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

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Post by soco »

katspaugh wrote: post #12

UX suggestions: - make the "Give me a Coffee name" button 5x larger - place the button and generated name in the middle of the page, not at the bottom - remove the pink border from the secondary title ("Create your own...") because it looks like a button.

The first title box increases also in height with page width - on my laptop I get quite a huge stamp, while on the mobile it's same size as the button below. Ah, and on my Samsung Galaxy the button doesn't get the special cursive font, no matter which browser I use.

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

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Post by Spivak »

ticviking wrote: post #43
tomcooks wrote: post #24

Very nice, these fake works upset me as well. As a foreigner I do not understand how those made up nonsensical words (common in coffee, car model names, appliances, websites), or that stereotypical "mamma mia i speak-a english-a language" intonation aren't considered on par with making fun of the Asian stereotypical pronunciation or making up words like "Ching Chong Pling Plong" to sell something. Any native American…

The simple answer is that any group that is considered to be “white” whatever their level of integration is fair game. I’m not sure it’s an accurate answer or why it maps to my experience but, you don’t need to look very hard to find similar stereotypes of Irish, Russians and other distinctive European ethnicities.

The difference is always "laughing at you" vs "with you." It's not that certain groups are "fair game" but that among equals poking fun has a default interpretation of "busting a friend's chops." Anyone can absolutely cross the line when making fun of white people.

If you're non-white and making fun of white people it can also be light mockery of your oppressors depending on the context. It has "court jester making fun of the king" energy.

Why it's almost always not kosher for white people to make fun of non-whites is because the default interpretation of jokes among non-equals is bullying and mockery. It can be done but it has to be done with extreme care.

The topical example of jokes among more complicated non-equals going extremely poorly is Chappelle's treatment of the trans community. It's not that trans folks are "off limits", you can find plenty of comedians and people on social media that make tasteful jokes at the expense of trans folks, but Chappelle's jokes just came off mean and weren't things that any trans person would react like, "haha that's so true!"

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

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Post by uulu »

mc32 wrote: post #45
uulu wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a rabbit hole. You probably didn't mean it this way, but: > Any native American can help me understand the difference between making fun of Asians/Blacks/other groups and italo-americans? You know what "native american" means in (American) English, don't you? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United...

It’s just a phrase that has two meanings and is understood with context. It’s like saying we sanctioned Jesse for his behavior.

I understand this, but given the _context_ of the question it might be (deliberately) misunderstood.

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

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Post by toxik »

mc32 wrote: post #50
toxik wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Punching up versus kicking down. They're different things.

That’s bullshit. They don’t know my status nor you know if they are the seaside peddlers or the upper class Mexicans.

It’s a hard sell to say you feel like your heritage was cause for grief when you come from a superpower, and the richest country in the world. You may individually be not well off, but we’re talking about group properties.

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

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Post by mc32 »

toxik wrote: post #54
mc32 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s bullshit. They don’t know my status nor you know if they are the seaside peddlers or the upper class Mexicans.

It’s a hard sell to say you feel like your heritage was cause for grief when you come from a superpower, and the richest country in the world. You may individually be not well off, but we’re talking about group properties.

Oh, now it’s about group power and not individuals?

See, people keep on redefining things. So a Mexican-American being from a “super power” what, they can be made fun of by white Mexicans because?

What about Chinese from China, now that they are super power, does everyone get to pile on any individual because as a group they are powerful (based on PPP they are on par or surpassed us).

It all bullshit. If it’s not for me or it’s not right for them, then it’s not right for anyone.

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

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Post by chiefofgxbxl »

katspaugh wrote: post #12

UX suggestions: - make the "Give me a Coffee name" button 5x larger - place the button and generated name in the middle of the page, not at the bottom - remove the pink border from the secondary title ("Create your own...") because it looks like a button.

The paragraph text is also difficult to read on top of the page background pattern. Maybe add a white background to the text?

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

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Post by batch12 »

toxik wrote: post #49
mc32 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been to Mexico. Sometimes people there try to mimic your accent and poke fun at how you sunburn so easily. Back in the US if you were to do similar to a Mexican, you’d be accused of racism for mimicking their accent or making fun of some part of their physiology they cannot change.

Punching up versus kicking down. They're different things.

It is either racist or it isn't. The now-popular punching direction catch phrase is just a way of excusing hypocrisy.

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

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Post by derekzhouzhen »

tomcooks wrote: post #24

Very nice, these fake works upset me as well. As a foreigner I do not understand how those made up nonsensical words (common in coffee, car model names, appliances, websites), or that stereotypical "mamma mia i speak-a english-a language" intonation aren't considered on par with making fun of the Asian stereotypical pronunciation or making up words like "Ching Chong Pling Plong" to sell something. Any native American…

In China there is a proverb:

> Don't treat others in the ways you don't want to be treated.

How others treat us is irrelevant to how we should behave. There are many craps we get but it is not a excuse to unload the same craps back.

Re: Show HN: A generator of Fake Italian Coffee names

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Post by what_is_orcas »

mc32 wrote: post #55
toxik wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a hard sell to say you feel like your heritage was cause for grief when you come from a superpower, and the richest country in the world. You may individually be not well off, but we’re talking about group properties.

Oh, now it’s about group power and not individuals? See, people keep on redefining things. So a Mexican-American being from a “super power” what, they can be made fun of by white Mexicans because? What about Chinese from China, now that they are super power, does everyone get to pile on any individual because as a group they are powerful (based on PPP they are on par or surpassed us). It all bullshit. If it’s not for…

It's always been about group power. The idea that it's about individuals is, to use a term you might be familiar with, fake news.

A few years ago, the right was blowing up about "reverse racism" or racism against white folks (I'm speaking exclusively about the US now, because that's really all that I know) but that's not possible in America because whites are the most privileged race. Are there some poor white people? Absolutely. BUT (and this is the integral part) the systems of power don't work to keep poor white people poor in the same way that they work to keep poor black people poor. There's no assumption of guilt when it comes to white folks. Despite equal rates of drug use, white people are less likely to wind up in prison/jail for drug offenses than are black folks or other minorities.

Racism might be different in China, I'm not sure.

Also, while I'm on the subject (this isn't directly related to what you said, but it's related), the reference to race isn't racism. I've seen the attitude that to acknowledge race is racism a lot here on HN, and it's just false. I've seen it used to essentially silence people who say "as a black person, I perceive this as..." which is an extension of racism: the false idea that the victim of racism can't identify the racism because to identify the racism requires that they bring up race in a conversation in which race wasn't overtly called out.

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