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Re: Show HN: An app that helps engineers fight back against pointless meetings

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I would love to see a feedback feature (not necessarily for this app but just in general) where meeting participants can answer: 1. Did I learn anything new at this meeting? 2. Did I talk at all during this meeting? 3. Would I have gotten the same value from some asynchronous shared doc, etc etc. So many meetings have so many people that just lose time by going to the meeting and provide no updates or don't receive a…

This is an awesome feature request. Thank you!

Re: Show HN: An app that helps engineers fight back against pointless meetings

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This always seems to be such a controversial view here, but if you think a meeting is pointless and that you have nothing to gain from it or contribute to it, just don't go. We're all grown-ups at work, and are ultimately responsible for our own productivity. Be prepared to articulate exactly why you feel some other use of your time is more appropriate, in case someone asks, but nobody is holding a gun to your head t…

Agreement from me, although I'd avoid double booking. Double booking means that other people are expecting you to attend, they may wait to see if more people join, or need to reschedule if the right audience isn't able to make it. I think it's best to pro-actively reject meetings versus only showing up for one.

Depends. If your schedule has a lot of flux (meetings being cancelled ad-hoc, etc.) then it can be useful to accept everything but notify the host that you probably won't be there unless something changes. That way if something does change you at least still have it on your calendar (I use Outlook, maybe other calendar/meeting apps handle this better).

Re: Show HN: An app that helps engineers fight back against pointless meetings

#53
post #22

Fun app for personal use, but it seems rather passive aggressive to display this in Zoom if you aren't the one who called the meeting. Voice a concern if you think a meeting isn't necessary. Don't quietly try to undermine the meeting as it is happening. And odds are if this is something everyone on the team wants to include in a meeting, the team probably already puts a priority on not wasting time in meetings.

>Voice a concern if you think a meeting isn't necessary Correct, I simple ask if I can be excused from the meeting. Which I find myself doing occasionally, since a lot of people do not bother looking at anyones busy/ free calender and I end up being quadriple booked

I would also recommend voicing your concerns privately with the meeting host (before the meeting). Publicly asserting some meeting isn't necessary could feel like an attack on the meeting host. Give the host an opportunity to be the "hero" who improves or cancels the meeting. You can get the outcome you wanted without looking like a jerk.

Re: Show HN: An app that helps engineers fight back against pointless meetings

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This always seems to be such a controversial view here, but if you think a meeting is pointless and that you have nothing to gain from it or contribute to it, just don't go. We're all grown-ups at work, and are ultimately responsible for our own productivity. Be prepared to articulate exactly why you feel some other use of your time is more appropriate, in case someone asks, but nobody is holding a gun to your head t…

> I'm double-booked for meetings all day, so I'm constantly making judgment calls about which one (or neither) is more important. It's not a big deal, and you don't need an app for it.

It seems like your job is more meeting-centric than the average engineering job. I'd hate to juggle meetings daily instead of working on the same problem for hours uninterrupted.

Re: Show HN: An app that helps engineers fight back against pointless meetings

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the requirements are weak. These meetings try to shore up weak requirements. If the requirements are strong these meetings are not important and wasteful.

ah yes. Because there is a direct and clear road ahead from requirement to implementation. Requirements don't change and if they do it doesn't have any impact on existing parts of the software. /s

My favorite is when stakeholders don't talk to devs to determine whether something is actually possible given the data we collect, but instead go off the recommendation of a technical manager who has never actually worked on the system or its data.

An assertive dev will look at the requirements, try to figure out how that fits, and then reply back to stakeholders if it's unfeasible. Everyone else will sit there for a week bashing their brains out against a keyboard and have continually increased anxiety because they've been assigned an impossible task. The time for a dev to be involved in the process is during requirements gathering as a partner to the process, not after a contract for work has been signed by the client.

Re: Show HN: An app that helps engineers fight back against pointless meetings

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To actually help make meetings more productive, I highly recommend the book "The Surprising Science of Meetings: How You Can Lead Your Team to Peak Performance" [1] ("One of the top business books everybody will be reading in 2019" — Business Insider). For a quick summary, watch the author's webinar "The Surprising Science of Meetings: Evidence-Based Insights Leaders Need to Gain a Competitive Advantage" [2].

[1] https://www.amazon.com/dp/0190689218

[2] https://youtu.be/8rDuumUtfAM

Re: Show HN: An app that helps engineers fight back against pointless meetings

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This always seems to be such a controversial view here, but if you think a meeting is pointless and that you have nothing to gain from it or contribute to it, just don't go. We're all grown-ups at work, and are ultimately responsible for our own productivity. Be prepared to articulate exactly why you feel some other use of your time is more appropriate, in case someone asks, but nobody is holding a gun to your head t…

I think sometimes people may forget that in a lot of cases a person may be put on a meeting invite as a courtesy to inform them a topic is being discussed. This is a form non-repudiation such that the person being invited cant complain later they were left out of any decision making.

More positively, they are offering you the opportunity to head-off braindead decisions at the pass.

Re: Show HN: An app that helps engineers fight back against pointless meetings

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This always seems to be such a controversial view here, but if you think a meeting is pointless and that you have nothing to gain from it or contribute to it, just don't go. We're all grown-ups at work, and are ultimately responsible for our own productivity. Be prepared to articulate exactly why you feel some other use of your time is more appropriate, in case someone asks, but nobody is holding a gun to your head t…

This doesn’t really work when power dynamics are in play. If you’re a junior or just have less experience than the person calling the meeting I can guarantee it’s causing some type of negative view of you by someone. You do that enough times and you’ll find yourself on a PIP, and eventually on the job market.

This is why meetings in general are net negative. There’s little need for scheduled meetings. Just do one stand up per week, ad hoc calls when needed, but mostly just let people work.

Re: Show HN: An app that helps engineers fight back against pointless meetings

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This always seems to be such a controversial view here, but if you think a meeting is pointless and that you have nothing to gain from it or contribute to it, just don't go. We're all grown-ups at work, and are ultimately responsible for our own productivity. Be prepared to articulate exactly why you feel some other use of your time is more appropriate, in case someone asks, but nobody is holding a gun to your head t…

> We're all grown-ups at work

I want to work where you work.

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