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Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by maxerickson »

nanis wrote: post #49
maxerickson wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People sick with corona going to events will clearly cause statistical deaths, it's not ambiguous.

> People sick with corona going to events will clearly cause statistical deaths, it's not ambiguous. People with any kind of cold symptoms going out and mingling also clearly cause statistical deaths, it's not ambiguous. Yet, we lived in a world where people did that routinely and it was left up to parents to protect their children from influenza, something far deadlier than Covid19 for them. Also, destroying economi…

You wrote this after I said in a sibling tree that we do make all sorts of trade offs. I agree there's lots of places that we could make better ones!

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by mlok »

"In the backend, it has a small SQL database which stores no personal information: just the list of invitees and their status."

This status is private medical information : in France (and all Europe probably) it is illegal to store these datas, unless you use specialized "health datas secure hosting". You cannot legally do it yourself this way.

French Official Documents :

Health Datas Hosting : https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/article_lc/LEGIARTI0000...

Health Datas : https://www.cnil.fr/fr/quest-ce-ce-quune-donnee-de-sante

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by mytailorisrich »

mlok wrote: post #52

"In the backend, it has a small SQL database which stores no personal information: just the list of invitees and their status." This status is private medical information : in France (and all Europe probably) it is illegal to store these datas, unless you use specialized "health datas secure hosting". You cannot legally do it yourself this way. French Official Documents : Health Datas Hosting : https://www.legifrance…

Storing name, DOB, test date, test result in the QR code is a good solution IMHO and indeed using a database as a private organisation is fraught with problems.

Name and DOB are reasonably needed to assert the person's identity. Especially in France everyone carries an ID card so people can show ID and certificate together.

Safeguarding private information is important but some must be disclosed as necessary.

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by lovasoa »

mlok wrote: post #52

"In the backend, it has a small SQL database which stores no personal information: just the list of invitees and their status." This status is private medical information : in France (and all Europe probably) it is illegal to store these datas, unless you use specialized "health datas secure hosting". You cannot legally do it yourself this way. French Official Documents : Health Datas Hosting : https://www.legifrance…

I don't think the status counts as medical information. It is an indication of whether you will participate to the event or not. Not participating may mean that you didn't want to participate, or that you didn't have a valid health pass. The database doesn't allow you to make the difference between the two.

Otherwise, any guest list would now be "medical information".

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by input_sh »

preordained wrote: post #48
input_sh wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cars don't infect other cars on the road.

Neither do people anymore, or at least those who aren't comfortable with that risk, since the vaccine is widely available for all... If the vaccine works, why in the world do you care who doesn't want to take it?

> since the vaccine is widely available for all...

They sure as fuck aren't. There's three countries in the world where the percentage of fully vaccinated is over 50% (two of which have > If the vaccine works, why in the world do you care who doesn't want to take it?

Because there are millions of people that can't receive one due to the weaker immune system, which is where herd immunity is supposed to kick in.

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by nanis »

maxerickson wrote: post #51
nanis wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People sick with corona going to events will clearly cause statistical deaths, it's not ambiguous. People with any kind of cold symptoms going out and mingling also clearly cause statistical deaths, it's not ambiguous. Yet, we lived in a world where people did that routinely and it was left up to parents to protect their children from influenza, something far deadlier than Covid19 for them. Also, destroying economi…

You wrote this after I said in a sibling tree that we do make all sorts of trade offs. I agree there's lots of places that we could make better ones!

> we could make better ones

Who is the "we" deciding what tradeoffs are better?

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by maxerickson »

nanis wrote: post #56
maxerickson wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You wrote this after I said in a sibling tree that we do make all sorts of trade offs. I agree there's lots of places that we could make better ones!

> we could make better ones Who is the "we" deciding what tradeoffs are better?

Various different 'societies'.

I mean, humans have lived as groups with rules for thousands of years, I'm not sure what you are getting at.

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by skylabmelody »

A year ago in France the health pass was publicly dismissed by officials as a conspiracy theory that belonged to sci-fi literature.

Six months later it became "well there are pros and cons". And now here we are, on the verge of enacting another CCP style measure that breaks multiple constitutional rights.

I'm sickened by the accelerating pace at which we are implementing every totalitarians' wet dream. The best of 1984, Brave New World and Fahrenheit 451 combined.

A Japanese documentary filmed in Wuhan to illustrate my point: https://youtu.be/N4ABOJ1y5iM?t=704

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by mlok »

lovasoa wrote: post #54
mlok wrote: post #52

"In the backend, it has a small SQL database which stores no personal information: just the list of invitees and their status." This status is private medical information : in France (and all Europe probably) it is illegal to store these datas, unless you use specialized "health datas secure hosting". You cannot legally do it yourself this way. French Official Documents : Health Datas Hosting : https://www.legifrance…

I don't think the status counts as medical information. It is an indication of whether you will participate to the event or not. Not participating may mean that you didn't want to participate, or that you didn't have a valid health pass. The database doesn't allow you to make the difference between the two. Otherwise, any guest list would now be "medical information".

My bad. You are right. To me "status" referred to the health status, but it is about attendance to the event : A vaccinated person might choose to not participate.

Previous paragraph : "From that link, they can confirm their attendance, but only if they have a valid health pass."

Re: Show HN: How does the French health pass work?

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Post by gpderetta »

idoubtit wrote: post #38
maxerickson wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People sick with corona going to events will clearly cause statistical deaths, it's not ambiguous.

People who drive (especially SUV) will clearly cause statistical deaths, it's not ambiguous.

sure and we require them to have a pass (you might know it as driving license) to mitigate the loss.

If you do not think that driving license counts, from the health angle, people with visual impairments are required to wear glasses (or have corrective surgery) to drive.

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