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Re: Show HN: Mail Studio – IDE for designing responsive emails

#51
Very nice, however:

> The designs that you create in Mail Studio are compatible with everything from iOS Mail to Outlook 2007

and

> If you like writing code, you will love Mail Studio’s CSS editor. You get autocomplete, support for CSS variables (custom props) and media queries.

are mutually exclusive.

Re: Show HN: Mail Studio – IDE for designing responsive emails

#53

HTML in email is legacy hell. I wonder if someone wants to create a new MIME-type like text/html+css, and clients who want can implement it. In theory you could have representations of the message like video/mpeg4 and text/plain, and depending on the client capabilities and configuration, the receiver could watch a video or read plain text. The information content of the 2 (or more) don't even have to be the same! Fo…

Emails are pretty simple once you realize you just have to stick to HTML . Forget everything you know about the last 20 years of webdev improvements, like the ability to center something painlessly via flexbox, and you're good to go!

Re: Show HN: Mail Studio – IDE for designing responsive emails

#54
post #13

This is desktop software, why is there a monthly fee? I occasionally want to send “nice looking” emails but get asked by lots of comms people about it. Recommending a monthly fee service is a non starter, but buying some software is pretty easy to decide. “Should I pay once? Or pay forever?” Is there anything in the functionality that takes advantage of SaaS? Other than updates and whatnot? Of course the price/value…

Because if it's a one time fee, there will be no recurring income and the developer will have to stop development.

The alternative is to do what older desktop apps did: release a new paid version / upgrade, often with a load of fluff added or a redesign to try and sell that an upgrade is worthwhile to the customers.

Re: Show HN: Mail Studio – IDE for designing responsive emails

#55
post #13

This is desktop software, why is there a monthly fee? I occasionally want to send “nice looking” emails but get asked by lots of comms people about it. Recommending a monthly fee service is a non starter, but buying some software is pretty easy to decide. “Should I pay once? Or pay forever?” Is there anything in the functionality that takes advantage of SaaS? Other than updates and whatnot? Of course the price/value…

It works for Adobe.

Re: Show HN: Mail Studio – IDE for designing responsive emails

#56

Very nice, however: > The designs that you create in Mail Studio are compatible with everything from iOS Mail to Outlook 2007 and > If you like writing code, you will love Mail Studio’s CSS editor. You get autocomplete, support for CSS variables (custom props) and media queries. are mutually exclusive.

Way I interpret it is that that you write down your markup/CSS, and the app spits out compliant HTML that will render properly regardless of email client.

Might be wrong, though.

Re: Show HN: Mail Studio – IDE for designing responsive emails

#57
I’ve been using Bootstrap Studio[1] for a while now from the same company and I have to say I’m very satisfied. Updates are frequent, support is responsive and it’s easy to use.

Of course tools like this aren’t necessary to work with Bootstrap or create emails, but it has saved me a lot of time which is valuable in itself.

1. https://bootstrapstudio.io

Re: Show HN: Mail Studio – IDE for designing responsive emails

#59
post #12

MJML deserves a mention. We use it, together with mustache, to let users create their own mailings from some building blocks we offer. Works quite well!

Any chance you could share some more details around how you integrated mustache with MJML? I did a project almost 3 years ago now where we used MJML and Handlebars, but I was never happy with the end result and have been thinking about going back and taking another stab.

Did MJML add any support for templating engines as part of the rendering process? That didn't seem to be an option when I did the original process so we had a 2 pass solution (MJML -> HTML w/Handlebars -> HTML).

Re: Show HN: Mail Studio – IDE for designing responsive emails

#60

An email user's viewpoint: pretty emails formatted like web pages (e.g., like what GOG.com sends) may provide a sense of accomplishment to the designer, and their employer a warm, fuzzy, Brand-CompliantTM feeling -- but as a user I kind of like emails that are just... messages. With hyperlinks if it's appropriate. Images aren't always a great idea -- lots of clients block them by default. Why not have just text in pa…

You're talking about optimization. In your opinion emails with fancy layout and "on-brand" design will get a lower level of engagement than plain text with well-written copy. You may well be right (in a lot of cases.)

But you don't know that.

It's a guess based on your biases and assumptions. This is why it's critically important to measure things when you optimize them. Believing that you should engage with your customers in a way that you like because "they're just like me, so they'll like what I like" is an easy way to kill your messaging dead. Optimization of something like email is a matter of constantly measuring, refining, and measuring again.

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