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Re: Show HN: Dendron – fast open-source note-taking in VSCode

#51
I tried out Dendron a few months ago for personal note-taking, technical docs, and organizing tasks. I was excited at first, but overall the cons outweighed the pros for me.

Pros/exciting things:

1) There's a simplicity in using VS Code for writing notes and docs if (and probably only if) you already spend your day in VS Code, like I do.

2) The Markdown Preview Enhanced VS Code extension (which is a dependency of Dendron) is super cool for having so many "batteries" included. For example, check out all the diagram types it supports: https://shd101wyy.github.io/markdown-preview-enhanced/#/diag... . I still use it, separately from Dendron.

3) Storing my data as plain text on disk (backed up by GitHub or Dropbox) has nice properties compared to how SaaS apps do it (e.g. if you use Notion, say, your data materializes out of "the cloud" when you launch the app, and otherwise has no tangible existence). When my data is plain text on my local disk, I own it; I know I can export it, I can run whatever editor or program on it; I can access past versions (via git or Dropbox); I don't have to worry about it being corrupted, or accidentally deleting some of it, or not being able to access it because of server issues, or not being able to export it, or being offline, and so on.

4) The Dendron docs ("wiki") site is created using Dendron. It's a cool thought that I could create a nice website of documentation or notes without leaving VS Code.

Cons:

1) Can't access my notes from mobile.

2) Major warts in navigating between notes. Each note has a tab for editing it and a tab for viewing/previewing it. Opening a note behaves differently depending on which tab is focused. Clicking links to go from one note to another doesn't work very well.

3) Poor full-text search (just VS Code's code search).

4) You can't specify an order for notes, only unordered hierarchy, and you can't easily view multiple notes at once, which means keeping lots of short notes, or using different notes for different sections of a document, doesn't really work. There's a tension in any note-taking tool between short notes and long notes. Should notes be as short as possible? Or stretch into long documents? The ideal tool IMO would blur the difference between an ordered hierarchy of sections within a document and an ordered hierarchy of notes within some grouping. Dendron makes it seem like it is for keeping thousands of small notes, but the ways in which you can view, organize, and navigate between notes (lack of good "browse," search, links, lists, seeing multiple notes, next/previous note, and so on) are so limited that it makes more sense to write long documents. In which case, all you really need is Markdown Preview Enhanced and the file system.

Re: Show HN: Dendron – fast open-source note-taking in VSCode

#52
post #26

My biggest gripe with note taking apps is that basically all of the ones I've seen take the IDE approach. They are not as much note taking apps as specialized document editors. Because of this I'm still stuck with Tomboy which is very far from ideal but at least it's quick and easy to start typing a new note . (Unfortunately it doesn't support markdown, only starting bullet points with typing a *, it does support wik…

Have you ever looked at jrnl? iirc it was debuted here on HN

https://jrnl.sh/en/stable/

I use it and like the way it's implemented md and other format support in that you can either create a new note formatted as markdown, or update existing and previously created journals and the tool will re-render them to md: https://jrnl.sh/en/stable/formats/#markdown

Re: Show HN: Dendron – fast open-source note-taking in VSCode

#53
post #41

I tried Dendron once and was put off by the dotted namespacing (foo.bar.note.md). Would be a lot simpler if I could just use folders instead (much less clutter, and I'd be OK with specifying the folder name in links). Not sure if the current version already allows that - but this is a common flaw with most Markdown note-taking software (I have around 8000 posts/notes spanning 16 years of hierarchies, some time-based…

Have you tried obsidian? It's directly working on the filesystem, including folders. No vendor lockin.

I did, and I sort of like and sort of dislike it because of the way it handles metadata.

For me, this kind of note taking app ought to use folder names as topics or categories (dev/rust) and have an index.md (dev/rust/index.md) as an entry point, and some sub-documents/sub-sections in the same folder.

Also, many of these tools only go half way: they have folder support but instead of a "bag of posts" you have to put images in a "bag of media" folder, which is even worse sometimes...

Re: Show HN: Dendron – fast open-source note-taking in VSCode

#54
post #41

I tried Dendron once and was put off by the dotted namespacing (foo.bar.note.md). Would be a lot simpler if I could just use folders instead (much less clutter, and I'd be OK with specifying the folder name in links). Not sure if the current version already allows that - but this is a common flaw with most Markdown note-taking software (I have around 8000 posts/notes spanning 16 years of hierarchies, some time-based…

the dotted namespace has been a back and forth in our community. some people love it, some people not so much. we're still using the dotted namespacing but we've also introduced the ability to export your notes to plain markdown (it inlines dendron specific markdown like note references to regular markdown). if you have folder based markdown, you can import them to dendron's format using our markdown importer and the…

Well, yes, but I'd rather not import/export anything. Either it can cope with the folder structure I want, or I will just keep using vim and ag.

Re: Show HN: Dendron – fast open-source note-taking in VSCode

#55
post #26

My biggest gripe with note taking apps is that basically all of the ones I've seen take the IDE approach. They are not as much note taking apps as specialized document editors. Because of this I'm still stuck with Tomboy which is very far from ideal but at least it's quick and easy to start typing a new note . (Unfortunately it doesn't support markdown, only starting bullet points with typing a *, it does support wik…

Have you ever looked at jrnl? iirc it was debuted here on HN https://jrnl.sh/en/stable/ I use it and like the way it's implemented md and other format support in that you can either create a new note formatted as markdown, or update existing and previously created journals and the tool will re-render them to md: https://jrnl.sh/en/stable/formats/#markdown

I realise part of their marketing is in that their filetype is readable in 50 years when all the iPad apps are gone, but does anyone know of any iPad apps that are compatible in the meantime while it is still being used?

Phone actually, specifically. I'd love to be able to just drop in a jrnl entry without faffing with text files on iOS

Re: Show HN: Dendron – fast open-source note-taking in VSCode

#56
I've struggled for so long to find a note-taking app. I basically need something like Atom, VSCode, or Notepad++ (advanced text editing features) and then ability to embed images. Half of my job is taking screenshots and analyzing logs.

I use Atom for text right now, and OneNote for images, but it would be ideal to combine them. I've tried a few Atom plugins that say they can do this, but none work (possibly due to API changes over time).

Anyone know of a good solution?

Re: Show HN: Dendron – fast open-source note-taking in VSCode

#57

I tried out Dendron a few months ago for personal note-taking, technical docs, and organizing tasks. I was excited at first, but overall the cons outweighed the pros for me. Pros/exciting things: 1) There's a simplicity in using VS Code for writing notes and docs if (and probably only if) you already spend your day in VS Code, like I do. 2) The Markdown Preview Enhanced VS Code extension (which is a dependency of Den…

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. Some additional details on the cons:

- 1) Mobile support. We don't have a mobile app but you can access it on mobile using tools like GitJournal or IaWriter. Admitted this is not ideal but we do plan on a native mobile solution later this year. See FAQ here: https://wiki.dendron.so/notes/401c5889-20ae-4b3a-8468-269def...

- 2) As for navigating notes, this depends on your style. If your use case includes always having the preview side by side, then navigating with Dendron is not always consistent. If you mainly use the markdown view, navigation is our strong point since you can navigate and create links without leaving the keyboard

- 3) Yes. We don't have full text search but vscode text search is quite good, especially if you combine it with the [search editor](https://wiki.dendron.so/notes/692fa114-f798-467f-a0b9-3cccc3...) which lets you create new docs from search results. we also have guides on how to use dendron with elasticsearch [here](https://wiki.dendron.so/notes/401c5889-20ae-4b3a-8468-269def...)

- 4) As for order with notes, there's a few thoughts here. You can embed notes into other notes using [note references](https://wiki.dendron.so/notes/f1af56bb-db27-47ae-8406-61a98d...) and control the order there. for how it displays in the hiearchy, its alphanumeric sorting. custom sorting is something we can implement if there's enough demand. for lots of short notes, this is where I would push back. VSCode has a fantastic windowing system which lets you split your editor into multiple panes (that can be automatically maximized). I regularly have 5-6 panes open at any given time that are views into different notes, sometimes the same notes. this is actually one of our strongest features since tools like notion only let you view one note at a time

I'm thankful you gave us a chance and do know that we're working on all the points you mentioned!

Re: Show HN: Dendron – fast open-source note-taking in VSCode

#58

I've struggled for so long to find a note-taking app. I basically need something like Atom, VSCode, or Notepad++ (advanced text editing features) and then ability to embed images. Half of my job is taking screenshots and analyzing logs. I use Atom for text right now, and OneNote for images, but it would be ideal to combine them. I've tried a few Atom plugins that say they can do this, but none work (possibly due to A…

So Dendron does this. We have a shortcut to automatically embed images as well (https://wiki.dendron.so/notes/a91fd8da-6895-49fe-8164-a17acd...).

I describe Dendron as basically notepad with additional features :)

Re: Show HN: Dendron – fast open-source note-taking in VSCode

#59
post #14

This get's posted to HN fairly frequently, always as a new Show HN. https://hn.algolia.com/?q=dendron.so Each time, it catches my interest, I try it out, and I cannot make it work for me. It looks really fantastic with a lot of documentation, but learning curve, preview, conflicting with existing vscode plugins, etc; I'll likely continue to try it out, because the marketing and documentation looks so good. Having spe…

We've been doing weekly iterations so there's been a bunch of changes between posts. As for the learning curve, yes, you're right and we're working on it. We just launched a new tutorial: https://wiki.dendron.so/notes/678c77d9-ef2c-4537-97b5-64556d... One of our users also made a great video series about Dendron on egghead: https://t.co/qIRvQqtttZ

compared to something like org-mode how complex is the learning curve here? with org you can be up and running with the basics of the notes in a few min.

Re: Show HN: Dendron – fast open-source note-taking in VSCode

#60
I think it would be really cool if there was a VS code extension where you could embed dot graphs in your .md file within a triple back tick block.

Then when you hit the preview button, it automatically renders it. Something like this: https://markdownmonster.west-wind.com/docs/_5ef0x96or.htm

But as a VS Code extension.

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