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Global Privacy Control [1] is a new specification that is backed by an increasing number of browser vendors and publishers. [1] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/10/coming-to-a-brow...
This...this was Do Not Track..
Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners
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#52Maybe someday this can be added to browsers, and the browsers can advertise the users’s preference to the server. Maybe even have a special request header for it. We could call it “Do-Not-Track”. A value of “1” would opt-out of all tracking (cookies).
There's no need to notify the server that your user-agent is opting out of cookies. Cookies only work because your user agent remembers them. You can opt out of cookies today by turning off cookies in your user agent. As a bonus, this even works for shady servers that don't respect earnest requests.
Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners
#53Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners
#54Neat approach! This extension is proprietary (according to license on Firefox Addons site). I Don't Care About Cookies and UBlock Origin are open source. Given that such an addon requires access to all sites, I have to trust a random french developer/company not to steal my banking credentials. This is not intended to be hate and I will keep this in mind for the future as this is a good new approach. I ask that you c…
where is the I Don't Care About Cookies source? I can't find it anywhere.
If you want to enable the list, toggle the checkbox. If you want to view the list, click the 'eye' logo beside it.
Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners
#55Never understand these kind of extensions. This way you still don't know what the site trying to do with the cookies.
Though I've noticed that sites that use cookie banners really do only put their ad/analytics cookies behind that gate. They don't tend to let you turn off, say, a shopping cart cookie with "No".
Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners
#56According to their FAQ, their approach is remarkably different from the popular I Don't Care About Cookies: Some current extensions promise navigation, but without a cookie banner. However, Ninja Cookie removes cookie banners by refusing the use of advertising or tracking cookies. This is not the case with current extensions. For example: I Don’t Care About Cookies: this is regularly described as the Internet user’s…
Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Global Privacy Control [1] is a new specification that is backed by an increasing number of browser vendors and publishers. [1] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/10/coming-to-a-brow...
This...this was Do Not Track..
Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
People would still be perfectly capable of selling advertisements that worked similarly to the way ads worked before everything was online - a magazine/newspaper/tv show/etc says "our audience size is roughly X, our audience demographics are Y, here's what our ad rates are". Modern hyper-invasive ads that follow you around the net, build up a profile based on everywhere you go, and occasionally try to install unpleas…
I would actually like site-related ads rather than a stupid version of mini-me chasing me around and suggesting crap I don't need. Targeted ads are dead-end, because they inhibit exploration. They act on assumption that a person is fixed and cannot change or want to change. Before adtech I actually liked ads on paper, because it was shiny and showed things I maybe wanted to want. E.g. watch, suits, travel, home utili…
I think the lack of innovation is due to several problems:
1. the constant barrage of ads hurts their reputation making recruiting hard
Wherever you land on the ethics of it, it's a bit like porn: you may not disagree with it in principle, but in practice it seems skeezy enough you don't want to tell your friends that's what you do.
Or it could be some group has genuinely new ideas, but there is so much competition they can't demonstrate why their technology is better.
2. their data sucks
On a lark, I went to Walmart (they're more vertical than Amazon) and I searched for men's belts. When I filtered for "yellow" most of the belts were, indeed bright yellow. (Seriously, Walmart sells a lot of bright yellow men's belts.) Except, of course, for the ones that were black or brown.
And if you search for "t-shirts" and filter by fabrics, Walmart thinks reasonable t-shirt fabrics include acrylic, canvas, chiffon, corduroy, down and vinyl.
So, retailers don't even know what's in their inventory, because they don't know what "yellow" means or what a t-shirt is made of.
3. they have too much data
You point out, "they act on assumption that a person is fixed and cannot change or want to change." I'm pretty sure they're studying the data longitudinally.
The trouble is that they're hoping that magic algorithms can somehow purify petabytes of raw sewage into a clear description of consumer behavior. That's led them to invest in these big data money sinks.
And it's not just a sunk cost fallacy at work, I think they do get some apparent financial returns from the weird and inexplicable inferences those algorithms generate.
So they keep going down this rabbit hole while consumers, regulators and advertisers are steadily getting fed up with them.
Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners
#59Neat approach! This extension is proprietary (according to license on Firefox Addons site). I Don't Care About Cookies and UBlock Origin are open source. Given that such an addon requires access to all sites, I have to trust a random french developer/company not to steal my banking credentials. This is not intended to be hate and I will keep this in mind for the future as this is a good new approach. I ask that you c…
You are right! To be honest: Ninja Cookie is really young and this is the first time I try to post on hackernews and I didn't plan to get all those comments. Because Ninja Cookie is really young, we are still thinking on our business model. We would like to open our sources so that you will be confident but we need first to find the right business model. No business model = no futur. And we want a futur for our Ninja…
Re: Show HN: Ninja Cookie – Get rid of cookie popups/warnings/banners
#60Neat approach! This extension is proprietary (according to license on Firefox Addons site). I Don't Care About Cookies and UBlock Origin are open source. Given that such an addon requires access to all sites, I have to trust a random french developer/company not to steal my banking credentials. This is not intended to be hate and I will keep this in mind for the future as this is a good new approach. I ask that you c…
You are right! To be honest: Ninja Cookie is really young and this is the first time I try to post on hackernews and I didn't plan to get all those comments. Because Ninja Cookie is really young, we are still thinking on our business model. We would like to open our sources so that you will be confident but we need first to find the right business model. No business model = no futur. And we want a futur for our Ninja…
We can't trust you in the mean-time because we have hard proof that we should never trust addon publishers, especially where "free" plugins are concerned.
You need to figure out what your monetization is ASAP.