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Re: Show HN: Made this with my daughter to help kids ages 2 to 4 learn logic

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I think the digits should be arranged 0 to 9, not 1 to 9 followed by 0. Because 0 is less than 1. Also, when the correct answer is revealed, it would be great to somehow highlight the cats that are actually described by the formula. Yes, this is hard for 0. Also, the animations feel too fast to me. I find they make the whole thing stressful, somehow. ALSO, when a wrong answer is given, the question disappears! That's…

I disagree with the number arrangement bit. I'd imagine kids are learning to use the keyboard whilst using a computer's browse. 0 placement is on point with what's in front of them.

That’s assuming they use a computing device with a hardware keyboard. Since the game is pretty hard as it is, and not really about teaching to use keyboards, I would hunch >90% of 2-4 year olds playing this would use a touchscreen.

Re: Show HN: Made this with my daughter to help kids ages 2 to 4 learn logic

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Nice website. I like it. Please don't use it with your kids (of 2 to 4!!). There are more than enough actual objects scuttered in your house.

Actual objects don't teach this sort of thing. They may well teach other things. I encourage you to parent your own children. HN users are typically adults and can make their own decisions on whether some screen time for their kids is ok, and what sort of screen time. Doing a logic puzzle is not, in my opinion, the same as going from video to video of squeaky voiced ladies with brightly colored nails opening toy eggs…

Just finished watching a film about Magnus Carlsen and how early he started and one of my key takeaways was that getting extremely good in chess actually helped him do well in other aspects of life as well.

Then of course his family doesn't seem to be pushing him, rather than supporting him, and if they had been pushing him hard into this it could possibly had a totally different outcome.

Re: Show HN: Made this with my daughter to help kids ages 2 to 4 learn logic

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actual objects don't teach this sort of thing. They may well teach other things. I encourage you to parent your own children. HN users are typically adults and can make their own decisions on whether some screen time for their kids is ok, and what sort of screen time. Doing a logic puzzle is not, in my opinion, the same as going from video to video of squeaky voiced ladies with brightly colored nails opening toy eggs…

Just finished watching a film about Magnus Carlsen and how early he started and one of my key takeaways was that getting extremely good in chess actually helped him do well in other aspects of life as well. Then of course his family doesn't seem to be pushing him, rather than supporting him, and if they had been pushing him hard into this it could possibly had a totally different outcome.

> getting extremely good in her s gqme actually helped

huh?

Re: Show HN: Made this with my daughter to help kids ages 2 to 4 learn logic

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actual objects don't teach this sort of thing. They may well teach other things. I encourage you to parent your own children. HN users are typically adults and can make their own decisions on whether some screen time for their kids is ok, and what sort of screen time. Doing a logic puzzle is not, in my opinion, the same as going from video to video of squeaky voiced ladies with brightly colored nails opening toy eggs…

Just finished watching a film about Magnus Carlsen and how early he started and one of my key takeaways was that getting extremely good in chess actually helped him do well in other aspects of life as well. Then of course his family doesn't seem to be pushing him, rather than supporting him, and if they had been pushing him hard into this it could possibly had a totally different outcome.

Have you seen the documentary about all the other kids who've started chess very early?

Re: Show HN: Made this with my daughter to help kids ages 2 to 4 learn logic

#57
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2 to 4 is still early in the development of physical attributes, focus, hand eye coordination, balance and what have you. Zero intentional and structured screen time seems entirely appropriate. Let them develop a physical world and interact with it before encouraging screen addicted couch potato. That will come despite best efforts later...

Do you have studies to prove that zero screen time is beneficial? I have a two year old who has learnt plenty from his screen time - between 15m to 30m per day.

Most recommendations are to limit screen time to 1 hour per day.

https://journalistsresource.org/studies/society/public-healt...

Re: Show HN: Made this with my daughter to help kids ages 2 to 4 learn logic

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post #7

Nice website. I like it. Please don't use it with your kids (of 2 to 4!!). There are more than enough actual objects scuttered in your house.

agreed. this tool seems to optimize practicing logic more than enjoying logic. i think kids will find greater success in life with logic if they're taught to enjoy it before they're taught to master it. why do i think this? my dad wrote a "computer game" in 4th Dimension in the late 80s that was just randomized arithmetic problems. i had to get a certain score before i could play outside etc. i got really good at ans…

> if they're taught to enjoy it

Left to enjoy, eh?

> I had to get a certain score before i could play outside

Your intrinsic motivation was killed with extrinsic motivation. That's the lesson here. Exercises are okay. Children kinda like exercises - even stupid or pointless ones.

Re: Show HN: Made this with my daughter to help kids ages 2 to 4 learn logic

#59
post #35

So, I am older than 4 and have a PhD in a logic-related field. BUT. I have to admit that I had trouble answering some of those questions. For example: "How many blue cats are not bouncing" when there are no blue cats on the screen. The game seems to assume that the right answer is zero, but I'm not sure I concur. There is a presupposition there about blue cats being in existence and if there are none on screen, the r…

When you treat the screen as just a sample of all the cats, and you assume that every question is really asking "out of the ones that are on the screen" then 0 makes more sense. The language used by the quiz treats the cats as real, so it's like you're sampling and then evaluating the sample. If I apply your logic to that, then we never know any quantity of any type of cat in any question, because there are more off-…

It's different because when you are asked a question about "the cats" and you can see the cats in question, you presume that you are only being asked about that which is displayed in front of you.

But when you are asked a question about something that is not displayed in front of you, then you do not presume that what you see is the entirety of evidence, because you are being asked about something for which what you are looking at provides no evidence. Therefore, "all cats," rather than "these cats."

"I don't see any of the blue cats, so I don't know how many of the blue cats are bouncing"

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