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Re: Show HN: Zepel, a Jira alternative for product teams

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This looks nice and sleek, I hope it improved upon the pain points of Jira and builds upon new strengths. The thing that kills me about Jira is the inconsistency I experience between projects. Everybody sets it up differently, and work based off entirely different views and contexts. It is exhausting and there's always too much friction. Maybe managers love it cause they got more time to waste on tools like Jira than…

I'll be the first to admit that as a whole, Jira is poorly used. That said, it's surprisingly powerful software. It's just that nobody takes the time to learn how to use it properly. Think of how shitty your first massive OOP language project was. Think of how different coding schemas and practices are between companies. Now realize that over the years, better and best practices have started to be established. Obviou…

> Jira isn't user friendly but neither is C++

I can accept this. But I've chosen to be a programmer - project management tools are a necessary evil, not something I enjoy. Expecting me to put in the effort to master it they way I do my primary tools is doomed to frustration.

I dont' expect end users to program...and I'm the end user of Jira.

Re: Show HN: Zepel, a Jira alternative for product teams

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s funny that people get JIRA to associate themselves with agile methodologies because theirs is one of the worst tools for it (in that the UI is this confusing herrendous mess). Whereas Pivotal Tracker feels a bit too “purist” in the other direction. Maybe this tool will feel somewhere in the middle?

Try Taiga [1] [2] truly open source beautiful system supporting both kanban and scrum style development. It's very intuitive with beautiful cards based interface. It also support user story point poker to assign story points. Indeed it can be projected directly on a wall screen to see a kanban board in real-time with customizable details. Also with easy plugin system, it can extend to integrate with other system in c…

Looks interesting, if a little convoluted to set up for self host? A couple of outdated docker-compose third party projects, and official script that is in alpha and depends on vagrant..? Maybe the most sensible is cloudron - also unsupported?

Re: Show HN: Zepel, a Jira alternative for product teams

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll be the first to admit that as a whole, Jira is poorly used. That said, it's surprisingly powerful software. It's just that nobody takes the time to learn how to use it properly. Think of how shitty your first massive OOP language project was. Think of how different coding schemas and practices are between companies. Now realize that over the years, better and best practices have started to be established. Obviou…

> Jira isn't user friendly but neither is C++ I can accept this. But I've chosen to be a programmer - project management tools are a necessary evil, not something I enjoy. Expecting me to put in the effort to master it they way I do my primary tools is doomed to frustration. I dont' expect end users to program...and I'm the end user of Jira.

I think they are saying the the people setting up Jira for your use failed to master the tool, not that the end users like yourself need to do that.

Re: Show HN: Zepel, a Jira alternative for product teams

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Zepel looks great, a much cleaner and more pleasant experience than JIRA. Everyone uses JIRA because it's become synonymous with agile, so companies purchase and use JIRA to show that they're agile. In practice though, JIRA is ridiculously cumbersome and slow. It's time for it to be challenged. If you can market yourself as a simpler and faster way for agile teams to run projects, and deliver on that, then you'll pro…

The thing about Jira and Confluence which annoys me most is the fact it's possible to have useless combinations of permissions. For example, in Confluence, there's a nested structure: Pages exist in spaces. Pages can have more restrictive permissions than the space they're in, so you can have a space with pages anyone can edit and pages only a select few can edit. Now for the annoying part: It's possible to have perm…

Most flexible permission systems have this issue. See every database system and your filesystem.

Re: Show HN: Zepel, a Jira alternative for product teams

#55

I've been evaluating PM/bug-tracker apps lately. I'm in a unique scenario, maybe an interested party could give me some guidance: I build WP sites for a local design agency (my client) who designs the theme for their client. I have 2-3 subcontractors that I work with to build these sites. Building the site needs to be managed like a "project". Once launched, I want to give my client AND their client the ability to cr…

Duet can definitely do this. It's self hosted though- http://duetapp.com Let me know what you think (I'm the developer)

This looks amazing. It appears to have absolutely everything I need. For $150 I'm willing to give it a trial. I'm currently using Pancake (http://pancakeapp.com) which is also self-hosted, so I'm fine with that. Duet makes me feel bad for Pancake already because if it's as awesome as it looks, I may switch my billing over...provided one thing...

Because I work with an agency, I'm typically billing my client, who then bills their client (plus markup). Obviously we don't want their client to see what I charged them. Is it possible to "hide" the billing for certain users?

Re: Show HN: Zepel, a Jira alternative for product teams

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Duet can definitely do this. It's self hosted though- http://duetapp.com Let me know what you think (I'm the developer)

This looks amazing. It appears to have absolutely everything I need. For $150 I'm willing to give it a trial. I'm currently using Pancake ( http://pancakeapp.com ) which is also self-hosted, so I'm fine with that. Duet makes me feel bad for Pancake already because if it's as awesome as it looks, I may switch my billing over...provided one thing... Because I work with an agency, I'm typically billing my client, who th…

Not currently, but I can add it. Can you shoot me an email about it so we can discuss your use case? I want to make sure any changes I make work for you. duet [at] 23andwalnut.com

Re: Show HN: Zepel, a Jira alternative for product teams

#57
I think it looks promising. Just trying to move to Azure Devops and it has a good product/issue separation I think, but it's way too customizable. I don't want a tool that can be made to suit any process, I want one that supports a reasonable process without hours of configuration and plugin. E.g. i Azure Devops it seems extremely hard to get feature progress and time rollups for features broken into backlog items and further into tasks. Everything seems estimated separately and marking a task as having spent 10h on is never seen as 10h spent on the backlog item or top level feature. It's confusing as hell (I'm probably just not getting it - but that's usually just a sign of poor UX instead of missing or incorrect functionality)

Re: Show HN: Zepel, a Jira alternative for product teams

#58

This looks nice and sleek, I hope it improved upon the pain points of Jira and builds upon new strengths. The thing that kills me about Jira is the inconsistency I experience between projects. Everybody sets it up differently, and work based off entirely different views and contexts. It is exhausting and there's always too much friction. Maybe managers love it cause they got more time to waste on tools like Jira than…

I'll be the first to admit that as a whole, Jira is poorly used. That said, it's surprisingly powerful software. It's just that nobody takes the time to learn how to use it properly. Think of how shitty your first massive OOP language project was. Think of how different coding schemas and practices are between companies. Now realize that over the years, better and best practices have started to be established. Obviou…

Jira projects massively benefit from a PM who is an expert user, or another expert user involved in care-and-feeding of the projects, in my experience. Just throwing a bunch of developers at it and hoping ... doesn't lead to a good time.

Re: Show HN: Zepel, a Jira alternative for product teams

#59
I really love when apps like this are free for small teams.

Most of the time I work alone or with 1-2 people. We would look for free options anyway. Because it's free, I get hooked up and then I stay with the tool for bigger projects.

Looks very appealing. I'll definitely try this for my next project!

Re: Show HN: Zepel, a Jira alternative for product teams

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As a PM, I've generally used JIRA because most of the people using the product are engineers, and that's what eng management pushes for. I have generally found that most PM-oriented products like this just require me to duplicate all the stuff that's already in JIRA to the point where the additional effort just isn't worth whatever benefit I get. Given JIRA's ubiquity, I would strongly recommend that you build an int…

What are those things that you need to duplicate?
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