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Re: Show HN: Product Substitutes – what software top companies are replacing

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Post by Xunxi » Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 2:16 PM UTC

troydavis wrote: post #41

Siftery has repeatedly engaged in Twitter spam. Here’s one example account, @SifteryHello that exists solely to mention other companies and individuals: https://twitter.com/SifteryHello Check out the tweet history to see what I mean. They sent thousands of tweets from this account (and very possibly others), solely to get visibility for Siftery from the customers/others who search for the company's Twitter handle. Th…

The product itself is garbage. I really dont know why Google will use Histats https://siftery.com/company/google and this https://siftery.com/company/microsoft

Re: Show HN: Product Substitutes – what software top companies are replacing

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 2:43 PM UTC

ggiaco wrote: post #50

troydavis wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay. That addresses one update; how about the main focus of my comment, the thousands of low-value tweets that @ mention companies and people?

Troy, We don't believe we're running afoul of TOS and have good reason to believe this. We want to add value by mentioning product handles once to generate awareness about their profile and their ability to curate their presence in front of a large buyer community. Of course, Twitter is free to change its mind and decide we're treading on the wrong side of the line and then ban the account or ask us to stop; we would…

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Re: Show HN: Product Substitutes – what software top companies are replacing

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Post by kaoD » Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 3:40 PM UTC

ggiaco wrote: post #50

troydavis wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay. That addresses one update; how about the main focus of my comment, the thousands of low-value tweets that @ mention companies and people?

Troy, We don't believe we're running afoul of TOS and have good reason to believe this. We want to add value by mentioning product handles once to generate awareness about their profile and their ability to curate their presence in front of a large buyer community. Of course, Twitter is free to change its mind and decide we're treading on the wrong side of the line and then ban the account or ask us to stop; we would…

Strawman. He's not accusing Siftery of violating the ToS. He's accusing your company of spamming (even if within Twitter's ToS) low-value tweets.

Re: Show HN: Product Substitutes – what software top companies are replacing

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Post by troydavis » Wed, Oct 25, 2017, 4:07 PM UTC

kaoD wrote: post #53

ggiaco wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Troy, We don't believe we're running afoul of TOS and have good reason to believe this. We want to add value by mentioning product handles once to generate awareness about their profile and their ability to curate their presence in front of a large buyer community. Of course, Twitter is free to change its mind and decide we're treading on the wrong side of the line and then ban the account or ask us to stop; we would…

Strawman. He's not accusing Siftery of violating the ToS. He's accusing your company of spamming (even if within Twitter's ToS) low-value tweets.

I'd even generalize it to "Doing anything you can to get attention, even when the overall impact is obviously negative."

A ToS is the absolute minimum (well, other than the penal code). That someone needs to consider whether or not something violates policies is a strong sign that it's probably not helping people. A malware/adware company may not mind that, but if Siftery's goal is actually to help product consumers and creators, their bar should be way higher than whether it can slide past a ToS. Find positive-sum ways to get attention.