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Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by anthk »

jrockway wrote: post #370

This is really interesting. I have been annoyed for a long time on how ssh, the terminal emulator, tmux, and the shell don't know anything about each other. I also started writing a native terminal emulator (no electron, of course) to fix these problems. I kind of thought I'd do the slow burn over 4 or 5 years of using it myself (being a shell sadly means writing a programming language, and you don't make a good one…

>you only got a UNIX shell with a commercial UNIX license

Even at these times you got tons of GNU and BSD utilities.

And since Slackware days, the commercial Unix' days were numbered.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by anthk »

mongol wrote: post #421
jrockway wrote: post #370

This is really interesting. I have been annoyed for a long time on how ssh, the terminal emulator, tmux, and the shell don't know anything about each other. I also started writing a native terminal emulator (no electron, of course) to fix these problems. I kind of thought I'd do the slow burn over 4 or 5 years of using it myself (being a shell sadly means writing a programming language, and you don't make a good one…

Yes perhaps what we need is a "rampant layering violation" in the terminal world. ZFS showed how to build an awesome filesystem by breaking pre-existing boundaries. Can something similar happen between shell, terminal, tools, etc?

>Can something similar happen between shell, terminal, tools, etc?

Complex shell scripting was superseded by Perl. On shells, even OpenBSD's ksh it's enough. Tools? Unix utilities and, again, Perl for the complex stuff. Solved since 1997.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by lytedev »

jiggawatts wrote: post #469

While it's entertaining to see Warp get excoriated for telemetry, keep in mind that they're doing what everyone else is. The new Windows Terminal has opt-out telemetry, as does PowerShell 7, .NET Core, and well... pretty much everything Microsoft ships these days has telemetry on by default. Last I checked, a fairly basic Windows + Office setup has 200+ individual sets of telemetry. To get this veritable torrent of i…

No, do not get used to this. And you can do something about it by calling it out and letting them know you do not want this.

And don't use it until it changes.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by kzrdude »

metadat wrote: post #382

"We started with the open source product Alacritty, though for now we won't be sharing our source code. ..But depending on the telemetry we receive we might decide to make the source available at some undetermined point in the future! Maybe." Talk about a bad taste. This is basically the Elasticsearch licensing fiasco waiting to happen again. So many red flags, I don't have time to list them. Bottom line: The company…

Why the bad taste? If Alacritty doesn't want to be close-forked they should use a copyleft license.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by eterm »

OOPMan wrote: post #459
heroHACK17 wrote: post #367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wondered the same. Then I realized it sends out requests to googleapis, segment, and sentry. Imagine having data on every dev's terminal workflow? Ca$h.

Sounds more like a good way to get your product banned from a lot of workplaces.

A lot of workplaces don't even bother to ban grammarly, which is literally a keylogger*, this won't even be on their radar.

* I feel compelled to point out that Grammarly disagree with this definition because it doesn't send every single keystroke, just the ones in non-password text boxes.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by andsbf »

blorenz wrote: post #134

Congrats on your launch, though it seems you are getting slammed here and it may not be the reception you anticipated. I'm genuinely curious if you talked to your target demographic prior to this or only postulated that this would be a viable product with the proposed revenue model? The HN crowd is brutally candid and honest. Hopefully the criticism you are currently receiving can be structured into a revision of the…

I still to see something that is not "slammed" here on HN.

I read this article the other day that people with "technical background"[1] have this "instinct" to quickly look for "wrongs/fails" to avoid failures, issue here is, we express our selves terribly and most of the time it will go blunt on comments. This lead a whole discussion on the topic, some people it was the right thing to do, and others thought that we should be more human/kind to each others.

The article above was actually about Pull-Request/Code-reviews, and how some people will mostly scrutinise others people work to feel like a hero.

[1] I believe most of us here have a "technical background", who else uses a "ugly forum"

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by zhengt »

wodenokoto wrote: post #309

It looks great. If I can live with sublimetext being closed source I’m sure I can live with my terminal also being closed source. Heck the windows terminal and macOS terminal are closed source and I use them everyday.

Warp engineer here - Thanks for your response!

It's too early right now, but we are definitely going to open source parts and potentially all of the code.

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