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Re: Show HN: You.com, private search engine that summarizes the web – built for devs

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Post by maxerickson »

dang wrote: post #468
ohyeshedid wrote: post #463

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The first part of your opening sentence is demonstrative of my point, followed by both explanations. You manually touched the thread 3 times, and did nothing to verify or proactively protect the community, but speech you missed the context on is actionable. You've responded to me multiple times, but you still haven't done anything to correct the problem we were all addressing. ..and yeah, I disagree, as I did origina…

It's not clear to me what you would consider more genuine. If you want to be specific, I can try!

It would be useful to be able to collapse comments on https://news.ycombinator.com/newcomments

Re: Show HN: You.com, private search engine that summarizes the web – built for devs

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Post by VRay »

VRay wrote: post #55
richardsocher wrote: post #41

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Yea... Requiring the default was a tough choice. You actually can try it out in incognito mode and any other browser. But we found that without the convenience of a navbar search, most people won't give it a proper try either way. I hope we can drop this requirement even in Chrome when we become one of the default options. If you set your search engine default to http://you.com manually in Chrome with " https://you.c…

You went to the trouble of showing "To see results and get the convenience of you.com, you’ll need to add the you.com Chrome extension" when you could have just showed me the **** search results. This isn't making it more convenient, bro. You(dot com) just wasted my 10 seconds. You're stabbing yourself in the leg in order to spite Google

Hey Mr. Socher, I see that you've changed the site to allow anonymous searches. I just tried it out, and I have to admit, it worked really damn well for finding a pancake recipe. Good luck!

Re: Show HN: You.com, private search engine that summarizes the web – built for devs

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Post by richardsocher »

cududa wrote: post #436
richardsocher wrote: post #226

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Working on it right now :) Extension changes your navbar setting. It's 33kB. All the heavy lifting happens on our servers so as to not slow browsers down for users.

sorry you got downvoted so much! But would be great to know the purpose of the extension, and why the service can't work without it

Hey.

Thanks. We got lots of love in other places like Twitter, LinkedIn, ProductHunt, Facebook and others. So that made the launch an overall big success :)

The only purpose of the extension is to make it convenient and easy to change your default on Chrome. Convenience usually wins on the internet.

The extension has permissions to write to one field. No read access. Chrome flags and lets you verify permissions when you install an extension.

Sadly, most users on the internet would not go into their settings to make a change.

Of course, here on HN there are a lot of experts who care about their privacy and can make that change manually.

We've listened and it's not required anymore to try it out. Being fully open is ultimately more aligned with our values of trust, facts and kindness.

Re: Show HN: You.com, private search engine that summarizes the web – built for devs

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Post by richardsocher »

0des wrote: post #220
richardsocher wrote: post #213

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it takes 5 seconds to install and uninstall an extension. we will open source it also so people can see how simple and benign it is. It feels like 5s to help move the internet away from a privacy invading monopoly isn't too bad? If you like privacy and agency of your information diet, or saving lots of time while coding, or Reddit results always accessible to browse for most queries, etc. Then the 5s install will be…

Please don't be like that. We don't want to install an extension. If your focus is privacy, please understand where we come from on this.

I understand it better now that the worry is also about the future of the extension. The requirement is gone. Thanks for your feedback :)

Re: Show HN: You.com, private search engine that summarizes the web – built for devs

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Post by richardsocher »

16bytes wrote: post #267
richardsocher wrote: post #173

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Hey. Yea. We struggle with the extension -> navbar search requirement also. We have found that if you're not the default engine that is easily accessible from the Navbar, you will not be able to break the Google monopoly. We also found that many people will just do a quick search for "asd" or "weather" and then leave because those searches aren't really differentiated (and just can't really be). Our extension is 33kB…

I strongly second not gating the service. Honestly, I laughed and closed the tab when I saw that I had to install an extension. Furthermore, literally drawing a search-box and then having it not actually perform a search is a dark-pattern. If you have to trick people into doing an action, it's probably not the right thing to do. If you have differentiating features, show people them! Optimize your flow on how you're…

Thanks for your feedback. Makes sense. We dropped the requirement and now can more easily share some differentiated searches like: https://you.com/search?q=%23send%20sms%20in%20twilio&safe_se... or https://you.com/search?q=%23read%20csv%20file%20into%20panda... or https://you.com/search?q=best+headphones

We definitely have to work on our onboarding and showcasing the features better. We're still a super small team and this is just our MVP at launch.

Re: Show HN: You.com, private search engine that summarizes the web – built for devs

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Post by richardsocher »

didntknowya wrote: post #254
richardsocher wrote: post #213

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it takes 5 seconds to install and uninstall an extension. we will open source it also so people can see how simple and benign it is. It feels like 5s to help move the internet away from a privacy invading monopoly isn't too bad? If you like privacy and agency of your information diet, or saving lots of time while coding, or Reddit results always accessible to browse for most queries, etc. Then the 5s install will be…

I get how useful it is for growth but a defensive answer like this does more PR harm than good. also misses the question. i have tried your search engine and it is great. i can tell a lot of work has gone into it, but i had to think twice about giving it a second go after being put off by your first impression.

Thanks for trying. You are right. It will take some time to earn that trust. We dropped the requirement.

Re: Show HN: You.com, private search engine that summarizes the web – built for devs

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Post by ArchitSasta »

Richard, would it be possible to merge the private mode and personal mode? Right now, it's tagged as incognito and it's not on by default, this should seriously be considered. This thread has seriously become toxic, You.com is just in the beginning stage. We can use DuckDuckGo-like model by not tracking users, but instead allow users to set their own country and give search results based on that. Because most normal people will automatically not switch to and use private mode by default and that simply makes you.com non-private. This is a concern almost everyone here and anyone who is serious about privacy would have. I hope to get answers from you soon in-regards to this. Again in-terms of the experience, you.com is unique, but it's potential shouldn't be limited by having privacy is an optional mode, this WILL push people away.

Thank you!

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