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Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by kzrdude »

ushakov wrote: post #221
michlim wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We potentially could remove the telemetry sooner, before the general availability. There is no set timeline yet, but we will announce it when we do!

you need to realise is that if you don't do this "by tomorrow", the momentum will be lost and no HN'er will ever use your product, because they will forever associate it with tracking

rust's rustup planned to add telemetry - they had a config for it (but never ended up doing so). It still affected me and how I viewed the program. These things stick around. I think they are safely without telemetry now (but they "obviously" ping home to look for updates).

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by nlh »

This is perhaps slightly orthogonal to the main discussion here on this thread, but I have a question for Zach (and the various engineers posting on this thread):

Did you guys talk to real-world users while building this and before this launch?

This whole blow-up re: your telemetry / open sourcey'ness seems like it could have been avoided. I'm curious if you actually floated these ideas with real world users and a) everyone else is cool with it but the HN crowd is super put off by it, b) everyone is super put off by it but you decided to launch anyway, or c) you didn't actually check with real-world users and hoped for the best.

Sorry if that sounds snarky - it's not my intent. I'm genuinely curious here as a product person / entrepreneur / builder, etc.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by anthk »

a5aAqU wrote: post #315
nicoburns wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt their compelling features will be in OSS terminals any time soon. I’ve wanted a terminal that has a decent multi line editor for years , and there’s nothing out there.

> a terminal that has a decent multi line editor for years You can use ctrl-x ctrl-e in most terminals. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/85391/where-is-the-...

>You can use ctrl-x ctrl-e in most terminals.

Shells, not terminals.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by jcranberry »

Fnoord wrote: post #401
jcranberry wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you check which requests its making? Do you just use tcpdump or something?

You could use a layer 7 firewall for this purpose. I use Little Snitch on macOS and Opensnitch on Linux. Given this application is macOS only right now, I would bet OP used LS since its popular on macOS.

Thank you. Im dual booting osx and linux right now so those will both come in handy.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by spudlyo »

Here I am on my free-as-in-freedom operating system, making commits with my free DVCS tool in my free text editor, building it with my free language toolchain, using my free terminal multiplexer with my free UNIX shell.

There is absolutely zero chance that I'm going to do all of this using a proprietary closed-source telemetry-sending terminal emulator no matter what visual niceties or fancy UI frameworks it may offer.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by csomar »

michlim wrote: post #59
munro wrote: post #35

> Telemetry > When Warp comes out of beta, telemetry will be opt-in and anonymous. > But for our beta phase, we do send telemetry by default and we do associate it with the logged in user because it makes it much easier to reach out and get feedback when something goes wrong. This is a hard pass for me, it looks really amazing though. I'm so tired of telemetry, how do we quit our day jobs to focus on open source? ;-;

Warp engineer here. I understand your concern. We will remove telemetry when we enter general availability. It will be opt-in and anonymous. We really want to improve the product quickly during this beta phase. Collecting data makes it much easier to reach out and get feedback when something goes wrong. But we only track metadata, never console output. For an exhaustive list of events that we track, see here: https:/…

You do understand that developers use the terminal with very sensitive information? Things like SSH keys, proprietary code (for vim users), Bitcoin private keys, etc...

These cover both professional (company) and personal stuff. No one should use a terminal that has telemetry (unless they are out of their mind).

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by kzrdude »

gerbilly wrote: post #133

It looks nice but I'd never use a shell that phone's home. Period. I mean the CLI has been one of the last parts of my system that I really still trust is working on my behalf only. This product made me rethink that assumption. As for capturing the output from a command line on the mac (and also on linux IIRC) just use pbcopy/pbpaste. My opinion: It's not worth giving your privacy away for features like this.

Lots of CLI tools phone home unfortunately. I mean, snap has a cli.. :) Maybe that's low hanging fruit.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by benreesman »

I want to like this, and clearly a lot of work went into it, but the existing tooling here has gotten so good lately, without losing any of the power user affordances.

WezTerm is crazy fast with GPU-accelerated ligatures, mcfly has an NN in it that startles me, fzf, rg, bat. Everything has bash/zag/fish autocomplete in it now. tmux customization has become a high art form, VSCode has forced all the best language tooling features in vi and emacs.

There’s definitely a renaissance of the terminal happening, I just think it’s fueled more by the Rust community having found its first killer use case/thin end of the wedge into all our lives by pimping our ride on the terminal experience than corporate backing.

Best of luck to these folks, but I hope they’re aware of Lucid and have its outcome incorporated into their plan. They did great stuff but a bunch of GNU people with something to prove built it in the bazaar.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by jiggawatts »

While it's entertaining to see Warp get excoriated for telemetry, keep in mind that they're doing what everyone else is. The new Windows Terminal has opt-out telemetry, as does PowerShell 7, .NET Core, and well... pretty much everything Microsoft ships these days has telemetry on by default. Last I checked, a fairly basic Windows + Office setup has 200+ individual sets of telemetry.

To get this veritable torrent of information past those "pesky" secops people, they resort to underhanded tricks like using host names like "microsft.com" to bypass firewall rules blocking "microsoft.com".

It is borderline impossible to stop telemetry in a typical corporate environment without heroic, ongoing vigilance from a rabid sysadmin foaming at the mouth about privacy.

This is the new normal. Get used to it, or do something about it.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by renewiltord »

ushakov wrote: post #155
michlim wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Warp engineer here. The terminal is totally free for individuals. Our business model is to make the terminal so useful for individuals that their companies will want to pay for the team features. We will not degrade your experience: we would never charge for anything a terminal currently does. No paywalls around SSH or features that don't cost us money. We will never sell your data. We treat privacy seriously at Warp…

> Our business model is to make the terminal so useful for individuals that their companies will want to pay for the team features. why would businesses pay for something that was always free? selling bottom to top is terrible strategy that rarely works (been there, done that) you should instead market it to decision-makers who actually have a say what services the business purchases or not developers have no say in…

The collaboration tooling stuff sounds interesting. It's the same model as Postman.
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