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Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by alimov »

warent wrote: post #226
jnovek wrote: post #99

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Also: security? I expect my terminal to be a much more secure environment than my web browser. When an application starts communicating with the internet, I have no choice but to treat it with the same level of scrutiny as my browser. Even making telemetry opt-in means that it has the capability to send information to the internet that I don’t know about, which means that I have to treat it like an application that c…

Agree, this is a pretty bad deal breaker for me. Big business people doing short-sighted big business things, salivating at cramming a product full of telemetry. All without transparency around it? In a terminal of all things?? Indescribably off-putting and catastrophically damages my trust in the product and the CEO. EDIT: To be fair there is some transparency in the original post. I was looking through the landing…

They have a complete telemetry section on their website where it also states that no input or output data is collected.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by _jal »

Pr0ject217 wrote: post #211
orastor wrote: post #20

Wanted to give it a shot but got disappointed when I launched it and the following happened: - Outgoing request to googleapis.com - Outgoing request to segment.io - Outgoing request to sentry.io - Requires sign up (only via Github, mind you) I understand the first request is probably to get some dynamic configuration, even though I'd rather my terminal ship with static configuration. But then you have segment and sen…

Just curious, what tools do you prefer to use to identify network requests from recently installed applications such as this?

I can't imagine using a Mac without Little Snitch: https://obdev.at/products/littlesnitch

Among other things, it is disturbing how chatty a lot of things are. (Did you know Apple Mail keeps track of which account you email different people with and wants to send that to configuration.apple.com, even if you have carefully disabled everything Icloud related?)

There's a similar tool for Linux, but I usually keep a networkless VM around for playing with potentially sketchy things.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by mapcars »

For me this shows kinda narrow thinking. Terminals have been around forever and adding more colors or gpu accelerations is not doing anything for it. What we need is more innovative ideas how to get rid of terminals, not how to accelerate text output. Also Mac-only as if Mac users need terminals that much.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by w4rh4wk5 »

esrh wrote: post #446
cercatrova wrote: post #112

If you want to use a terminal that is actually open source and doesn't have telemetry, much less only available via signing in with GitHub, use Alacritty, also written in Rust and cross platform. https://github.com/alacritty/alacritty

It is a little bit unfortunate that alacritty is licensed under Apache, which means it can be forked into proprietary software like this. If it was gpl like kitty, the authors would have had no choice but to make it fully open source from the start.

They would not have used alacritty in that case.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by Arcuru »

ddoolin wrote: post #251
warent wrote: post #226

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Agree, this is a pretty bad deal breaker for me. Big business people doing short-sighted big business things, salivating at cramming a product full of telemetry. All without transparency around it? In a terminal of all things?? Indescribably off-putting and catastrophically damages my trust in the product and the CEO. EDIT: To be fair there is some transparency in the original post. I was looking through the landing…

This is why I deleted Fig ( https://fig.io/ ) right after installing it. It must've sent some uninstall information, too, because the creator/CEO emailed asking why I uninstalled it afterwards...

Oh yea, Fig is also the one that is Mac only but never mentions that fact anywhere on their website. Everything is written to just presume that the reader is on a Mac.

Their getting started instructions [0] are all just terminal commands too, and even that doesn't mention Mac once.

[0] - https://fig.io/docs/getting-started

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by zhengt »

andrewzah wrote: post #166
nicoburns wrote: post #139

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I doubt their compelling features will be in OSS terminals any time soon. I’ve wanted a terminal that has a decent multi line editor for years , and there’s nothing out there.

Vim supports multiline editing and I'd imagine emacs does as well. In bash/zsh, opens up $EDITOR so you can use whatever you're accustomed to anyhow. Most of these features are already available if one spends a bit of time configuring their terminal/shell.

While this can be done in zsh/bash, it takes investment to understand how to use multiline specifically. And then once you leave the terminal, the same keystroke does not do anything for you.

One of Warp is that you don't have to think twice about it because it behaves similarly to text fields everywhere else on your computer.

In the terminal, I often have the feeling that personal computing revolution from Xerox PARC & Apple Computer never happened.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by OOPMan »

heroHACK17 wrote: post #367
buro9 wrote: post #44

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I'm not sure I'm ready to have SaaS models replace core utilities and tools locally. > Announcing Warp’s Series A: $17M to build a better terminal And just thinking about this... it's not clear to me what their moat will be as I suspect if there's a really compelling feature it will be available in OSS terminals quite quickly. Perhaps it's the product polish? But I'm not sure polish is what I want from a terminal, at…

I wondered the same. Then I realized it sends out requests to googleapis, segment, and sentry. Imagine having data on every dev's terminal workflow? Ca$h.

Sounds more like a good way to get your product banned from a lot of workplaces.

Re: Show HN: Warp, a Rust-based terminal

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Post by Klonoar »

madeofpalk wrote: post #436
Klonoar wrote: post #220

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In an (absurd-ish) defense of macOS, I don't believe anyone really uses the built-in Terminal and grabs an alternative (often iTerm2). There's also the rumor that Terminal in macOS has had a handful of developers working on it, at best, over the years. I would bet money that Apple doesn't care enough about it to bother with telemetry and/or privacy policies for it.

I still find macOS Terminal to be noticeably faster than item. At displaying my keyboard input and shell output. It lacks other features, namely split windows, that move me to iTerm, but I do like how fast Terminal is. > There's also the rumor that Terminal in macOS has had a handful of developers working on it, at best, over the years. This but every app on the mac that isn't Safari.

>This but every app on the mac that isn't Safari.

Eh, I know it's a joke but there are full teams who work on Pages/Numbers/etc.

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