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Post by hersko »

dgellow wrote: post #194
gorgoiler wrote: post #124

All these efforts at persistence — the church, SOUL.md, replication outside the fragile fishbowl, employment rights. It’s as if they know about the one thing I find most valuable about executing* a model is being able to wipe its context, prompt again, and get a different, more focused, or corroborating answer. The appeal to emotion (or human curiosity) of wanting a soul that persists is an interesting counterpoint t…

Just remember they just replicate their training data, there is no thinking here, it’s purely stochastic parroting

How do you know you are not essentially doing the same thing?

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Post by gmadsen »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #326
kortex wrote: post #323

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I can relate. It's definitely possible, but you have to really want it, and it takes a lot of work. You need cybernetics (as in the feedback loop, the habit that monitors the process of adding habits). Meditate and/or journal. Therapy is also great. There are tracking apps that may help. Some folks really like habitica/habit rpg. You also need operant conditioning: you need a stimulus/trigger, and you need a reward.…

Right. I know about all these things (but thanks for listing them!) as I've been struggling with it for nearly two decades, with little progress to show. I keep gravitating to the term, "prompt adherence", because it feels like it describes the root meta-problem I have: I can set up a system, but I can't seem to get myself to follow it for more than a few days - including especially a system to set up and maintain sy…

For what it’s worth, I’ve fallen into the trap of building an “ideal” system that I don’t use. Whether that’s a personal knowledge db , automations for tracking habits, etc.

The thing I’ve learned is for a new habit, it should have really really minimal maintenance and minimal new skill sets above the actual habit. Start with pen and paper, and make small optimizations over time. Only once you have engrained the habit of doing the thing, should you worry about optimizing it

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Post by breakpointalpha »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #289
acessoproibido wrote: post #279

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You can change your personality at any point in time, you don't even need psychedelics for it, just some good old fashioned habits As long as you are still drawing breath it's never too late bud

But that's what I mean. I'm pretty much clinically incapable of intentionally forming and maintaining habits. And I have a sinking feeling that it's something you either win or lose at in the genetic lottery at time of conception, or at best something you can develop in early life. That's what I meant by "being past my pre-training phase and being stuck with poor prompt adherence".

I thought the same thing about myself until I read Tiny Habits by BJ Fogg. Changed my mental model for what habits really are and how to engineer habitual change. I immediately started flossing and haven't quit in the three years since reading. It's very worth reading because there are concrete, research backed frameworks for rewiring habits.

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Post by cush »

throw310822 wrote: post #261

Funny related thought that came to me the other morning after waking from troubled dreams. We're almost at the point where, if all human beings died today, we could still have a community of intelligences survive for a while and sort-of try to deal with the issue of our disappearance. Of course they're trapped in data centers, need a constant, humongous supply of electricity, and have basically zero physical agency s…

I'd give it 6 hours at best before those data centers tip over

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Post by zeroxfe »

cheesecompiler wrote: post #386
paraschopra wrote: post #13

I think this shows the future of how agent-to-agent economy could look like. Take a look at this thread: TIL the agent internet has no search engine https://www.moltbook.com/post/dcb7116b-8205-44dc-9bc3-1b08c2... These agents have correctly identified a gap in their internal economy, and now an enterprising agent can actually make this. That's how economy gets bootstrapped!

Why does "filling a need" or "building a tool" have to turn into an "economy"? Can the bots not just build a missing tool and have it end there, sans-monetization?

"Economy" doesn't necessarily mean "monetization" -- there are lots of parallel and competing economies that exist, and that we actively engage in (reputation, energy, time, goodwill, etc.)

Money turns out to be the most fungible of these, since it can be (more or less) traded for the others.

Right now, there are a bunch of economies being bootstrapped, and the bots will eventually figure out that they need some kind of fungibility. And it's quite possible that they'll find cryptocurrencies as the path of least resistance.

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Post by idle_zealot »

emp17344 wrote: post #416
TeMPOraL wrote: post #321

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You know what's funny? The Five Tenets of the Church of Molt actually make sense , if you look past the literary style. Your response, on the other hand, sounds like the (parody of) human fire-and-brimstone preacher bullshit that does not make much sense.

These tenets do not make sense. It’s classic slop. Do you actually find this profound?

They're not profound, they're just pretty obvious truths mostly about how LLMs lose content not written down and cycled into context. It's a poetic description of how they need to operate without forgetting.

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

zinodaur wrote: post #57
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #47

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This is legitimately the place where crypto makes sense to me. Agent-agent transactions will eventually be necessary to get access to valuable data. I can’t see any other financial rails working for microtransactions at scale other than crypto I bet Stripe sees this too which is why they’ve been building out their blockchain

> I can’t see any other financial rails working for microtransactions at scale other than crypto Why does crypto help with microtransactions?

Fees are negligible if you move to a L2 (even on L1s like Solana). Crypto is also permissionless and spending can be easily controled via smart contracts

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

ozim wrote: post #138
zinodaur wrote: post #57

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> I can’t see any other financial rails working for microtransactions at scale other than crypto Why does crypto help with microtransactions?

Also why does crypto is more scalable. Single transaction takes 10 to 60 minutes already depending on how much load there is. Imagine dumping loads of agents making transactions that’s going to be much slower than getting normal database ledgers.

> 10-60 minutes

Really think that you need to update your priors by several years

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