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Re: Show HN: Pls Fix – Hire big tech employees to appeal account suspensions

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Post by pompino »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #387
pompino wrote: post #365

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Yes, because money == power, and lobbying is legal. If you had progressive taxation that would essentially prevent any entity from acquiring power to rival the state. The inherent weakness of democracies is that they require constant care and attention. If you look away for a second, there is going to be some corporation trying to re-write the tax code or do away with regulations.

> If you had progressive taxation that would essentially prevent any entity from acquiring power to rival the state. We have progressive taxation. That doesn't matter because fixed costs are fixed. If it costs $30,000/year to live, someone who makes $30,000/year will accumulate no wealth even if you tax them at 0%, because all of their income is going to food and rent and utilities. Whereas someone who makes a billio…

>We have progressive taxation.

In the US it stops at ~35. Lets go all the way to 100%.

> Then that hundred million dollars collects interest every year going forward.

The progressive capital gains taxes also need to go up to 100%.

>Corporations have more money than any individual, but the largest ones are publicly traded, so that would still be the case even if no individual shareholder had a lot of wealth. Because the corporation would, and its executives would thereby be in control of those resources and use them to capture the government.

That is why we have monopoly laws. The point isn't that corporations should not accumulate wealth, the point is that the state should not have a rival in terms of power.

>Why is it that the largest corporations and most corrupt organizations are the ones asking for regulations?

Sure, they want regulations that build a moat, they don't want regulations that reduce their wealth. I'm talking about the latter.

>What you need is to constrain the legislators from passing those laws to begin with, regardless of whether they start off at the behest of a billionaire or a trade organization or just the Senator's brother-in-law.

Yes, and campaign finance reform would reduce some of this donor/lobby culture. Fixed amount of ad-spend per candidate, no PACs, etc.

Re: Show HN: Pls Fix – Hire big tech employees to appeal account suspensions

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Post by BoorishBears »

endofreach wrote: post #400
BoorishBears wrote: post #130

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I'm surprised no one has considered that this is a way to get people talking more than it is a way to get accounts unsuspended...

I didn't consider it because i couldn't think of what it would be that they want people to talk about. What do you think about? Who made this for achieving what?

Can you really say this after it generated 400 comments on the topic amongst the people closest to the issue?

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Post by tdeck »

loeg wrote: post #392
tdeck wrote: post #150

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> and inadvertently accessed a system in a way he didn't realized was a privacy violation Sounds like they need better controls, there shouldn't be ways to inadvertently access personal data and violate someone's privacy. Particularly not at such a mature company.

The controls have gotten better / more explicit over time. They flash you up a pretty explicit clickthrough wall now. And there's pretty explicit training that you hand off issues for friends/family to a 3rd party engineer to handle rather than accessing user/friend data yourself.

When I worked at Google it was literally impossible to access personal data like this in most roles, even for my own account. So it seems like meta leaves something to be desired if it's a click through and a policy.

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Post by genewitch »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #356
genewitch wrote: post #279

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I'm actually shocked no one is arguing with you about your first two sentences. Capitalism will always have one lucky or unscrupulous company after another swallowing the smaller players. you have 5 equal companies producing widgets. One of the companies has their building near a freeway, and one day a fully loaded truck crashes through a railing and impacts their building, causing a fire and lots of damage. Sure, th…

> The former company might be unable to keep up with the 3+1 other companies on the same playing field, so may sell to one of the other four, but only the latter company in the above example may have the money available to buy. Your assumption is that companies can be destroyed but not created, which isn't true. The way prevent monopolies, then, is to make it as easy as possible to create new companies. There is no m…

i mentioned that:

> A company being lucky for a few quarters even gets to spend money lobbying for preferential regulations that prevent further competitors from entering the market!

and i disagree that a company can get as big as google if everyone involved was wealthcapped at $10mm. There'd be no real reason to seek ever-higher profits, especially if every company was forced to abide these rules.

as an aside, isn't it weird that during the high fuel prices in the last 4 years the fuel producing companies have made record profits? I don't actually think it's weird. It is telling. I bet it's supply and demand, though.

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Post by leokennis »

jasonfarnon wrote: post #160
tdeck wrote: post #150

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> and inadvertently accessed a system in a way he didn't realized was a privacy violation Sounds like they need better controls, there shouldn't be ways to inadvertently access personal data and violate someone's privacy. Particularly not at such a mature company.

I don't work there but I imagine when this happens it's because the employee needs access to the resource for some legit reasons, but accessing it for illegitimate reason is what amounts to the violation. So access controls here would amount to reviewing the reasons for the access.

Solution would then be to ask for and log the reason for the access. Possibly with an approval needed by a second person. You can still lie about why you need access, but at least it is logged then.

Re: Show HN: Pls Fix – Hire big tech employees to appeal account suspensions

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Post by leokennis »

constantcrying wrote: post #23

Seems insane. Surely every single company would fire you for doing that. If you put this in its proper term it is "corruption" and you should definitely worry about the legal implications of doing this.

My employer used to have an internal "ambassador app" for employees. If someone I knew used our products and had a complaint, I could put their details and the details of the issue in that app, and they would get contacted on priority. Basically it was a way to positively channel in-person complaints to a structured solution.

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Post by rkuykendall-com »

tavavex wrote: post #336
kelnos wrote: post #252

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> But the worst is that the company stops allowing all internal employees from filling out forms for anyone. That feels like a good outcome to me. "I know a guy" should not be a reason to get preferential treatment. As much as I'm sure it absolutely sucks to lose an account on most of these services, I'd rather they stay lost for everyone, rather than get reinstated for people who happen to have connections.

The thing is that this preferential treatment should be the default - people should be able to get their accounts looked at, but as always there are hold-ups and moderator shortages and whatnot that drag waiting times closer to infinity. It's not like everyone else is guaranteed to be banned indefinitely - it's more akin to pulling your friends out of the line and helping them yourself. As long as it's not done at th…

The problem is everyone else is guaranteed to be banned indefinitely.

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Post by swozey »

icedchai wrote: post #375
swozey wrote: post #161

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Nope. Zero difference. I was a paying Google DNS, GoogleFI, and Gmail user. Maybe more. The first thing that happened was my Google Wallet/Pay account was marked as fraud. I didn't know this until my OTHER accounts stopped working. My OTHER accounts stopped working because I couldn't update my credit card at Google Pay to change my recurring bills for all of those services to keep paying for them. I was in the middle…

Sorry, I missed you were paying for GoogleFI when I read your original message. So if your cell phone gets shut off, there is nothing they'll do about it?! That's crazy. I can understand having little-or-no support for "free" users, but you're a paying customer.

Right, there's no customer service at all. Nobody to call or contact, not that I could call. I switched to an iPhone at another carrier that week. I've de-googled my life as much as possible.

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Post by loeg »

tdeck wrote: post #403
loeg wrote: post #392

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The controls have gotten better / more explicit over time. They flash you up a pretty explicit clickthrough wall now. And there's pretty explicit training that you hand off issues for friends/family to a 3rd party engineer to handle rather than accessing user/friend data yourself.

When I worked at Google it was literally impossible to access personal data like this in most roles, even for my own account. So it seems like meta leaves something to be desired if it's a click through and a policy.

Maybe? I don't think engineers are likely to "inadvertently" access data inappropriately with either policy.

Re: Show HN: Pls Fix – Hire big tech employees to appeal account suspensions

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Post by loeg »

leokennis wrote: post #405
jasonfarnon wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't work there but I imagine when this happens it's because the employee needs access to the resource for some legit reasons, but accessing it for illegitimate reason is what amounts to the violation. So access controls here would amount to reviewing the reasons for the access.

Solution would then be to ask for and log the reason for the access. Possibly with an approval needed by a second person. You can still lie about why you need access, but at least it is logged then.

Meta does this.
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