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Re: Show HN: A new way of eating out – by dropping in

#41
post #3

Is this legal?

It's completely legal...as long as anyone who uses CozyMeal to run a food service business goes through the process of registering as a food service business. This largely means inspections to assess the cleanliness of the food preparation, storage, and delivery areas, and a liquor license if alcohol will be served.

Re: Show HN: A new way of eating out – by dropping in

#42
post #7

Does the site offer hosts/guests any protection (a la AirBnB) in case something goes wrong?

Cozymeal has a lot of safety mechanisms to ensure a safe and good experience for both sides (vetting of ALL hosts, mandatory Facebook registration for hosts/guests, etc.). In addition to that, Cozymeal will soon offer an insurance to hosts/guests similar to that offered by AirBnB.

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Re: Show HN: A new way of eating out – by dropping in

#43
post #21

Site seems down, but assuming it is meals at home with people, I like the concept. I wouldn't want to drop in to a dinner with a family or something, but if you did themed dinners ("crypto hackers dinner?" "YC applicants dinner") it would be both more appealing AND legally a lot safer -- even a heavy handed government would be wary of censoring free association and speech with incidental food, rather than purely comm…

Looks like it's been back up for a while now.

Re: Show HN: A new way of eating out – by dropping in

#44

Thank you for your comments and interest in Cozymeal. I am the co-founder of Cozymeal, which we launched three months ago. What started as a side project attracted a lot of interest and I am now working full-time on it. The quality of the food and the experience in general are very important to us. Every host has to go through a vetting process before he can join our site. Our guests use Cozymeal for the great food b…

You need to visit this page: http://www.sfdph.org/dph/eh/Food/Permits/default.asp. Then you need to talk to a lawyer and have a serious discussion about your liability issues (and the liability issues for your "hosts") and come up with a plan for helping your hosts understand just what they're getting into when they use your site to run a "one table restaurant."

You've created a cute site, but now that you're running it as a business that interacts with the real world you need to step up to the plate and treat it like a real business. And that means dealing with the unsexy stuff like licensing (for yourself or your hosts).

In two weeks, if you haven't added something to your site about this, I'm going to personally call the SF Department of Public Health myself.

Re: Show HN: A new way of eating out – by dropping in

#45
post #9

It would be incredibly unfortunate if this were found to be illegal. You take many of the same health risks when eating at a friend's house. The only difference is you don't pay your friend.

The exchange of payment is precisely what makes this endeavor subject to food safety/preparation laws and (in many jurisdictions) illegal. It changes a social event into a commercial transaction: you pay someone else to eat food they prepared. This is not remotely the same thing as friends splitting up the cost to buy food, or reimbursing one friend for purchasing food for a social gathering. We don't regulate social…

Without judging if it's a good thing or a bad thing, some of these services (e.g. Lyft in some cities) use "suggested donations" instead of payment. It changes the legal & tax consequences.

Re: Show HN: A new way of eating out – by dropping in

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The exchange of payment is precisely what makes this endeavor subject to food safety/preparation laws and (in many jurisdictions) illegal. It changes a social event into a commercial transaction: you pay someone else to eat food they prepared. This is not remotely the same thing as friends splitting up the cost to buy food, or reimbursing one friend for purchasing food for a social gathering. We don't regulate social…

Without judging if it's a good thing or a bad thing, some of these services (e.g. Lyft in some cities) use "suggested donations" instead of payment. It changes the legal & tax consequences.

No, it really doesn't, especially not for tax purposes.

The law (and especially tax law) looks at the substance of the transaction, not its form. Calling a payment for commercial services a "donation" doesn't make it a donation. If it did, every business would ask for "donations" instead of payment. Indeed, as a matter of tax law, calling the Lyft fees "donations" actually makes it worse for the drivers--they can't offset the "donation" income with their Lyft-related expenses. (Lyft can't recharacterize the donations it receives on behalf of the drivers as fee compensation when it remits payment to the drivers because it takes the position that they're independent contractors and it is merely acting as a collection agent.)

Re: Show HN: A new way of eating out – by dropping in

#48
post #8
post #4

What about zoning restrictions? Food service licenses? In many places, if you prepare food for sale to be consumed onsite, you are treated like a restaurant - most home kitchens aren't going to pass local health department requirements.

Many great new ideas aren't legal. Use your own car like a taxi? Rent your spare bedroom to strangers? Sell electric cars direct, without a dealer? Share music, books and movies with your friends? Run a mesh network in your city to bypass the local monopoly? Trade cryptocurrency for national currency? Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it's not a killer idea. Congratulations, Cozymeal!

Sure, but it does likely mean that hosts should expect some surprise visits from the local health department and likely fines, because it certainly does require at least a temporary food permit. Here are the relevant San Francisco requirements: http://www.sfdph.org/dph/EH/Food/Permits/PopUps.asp

Re: Show HN: A new way of eating out – by dropping in

#49

Thank you for your comments and interest in Cozymeal. I am the co-founder of Cozymeal, which we launched three months ago. What started as a side project attracted a lot of interest and I am now working full-time on it. The quality of the food and the experience in general are very important to us. Every host has to go through a vetting process before he can join our site. Our guests use Cozymeal for the great food b…

You need to visit this page: http://www.sfdph.org/dph/eh/Food/Permits/default.asp . Then you need to talk to a lawyer and have a serious discussion about your liability issues (and the liability issues for your "hosts") and come up with a plan for helping your hosts understand just what they're getting into when they use your site to run a "one table restaurant." You've created a cute site, but now that you're runnin…

Fuck you.

Seriously - the world is not as black and white as you would want it to be... we do not need regulation of every single little aspect of our lives.

Have you fucking eaten at restaurants in SF? Try Sam Woo you asshole - that place was an SF legend; and it was one of the most disgusting places.

Re: Show HN: A new way of eating out – by dropping in

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need to visit this page: http://www.sfdph.org/dph/eh/Food/Permits/default.asp . Then you need to talk to a lawyer and have a serious discussion about your liability issues (and the liability issues for your "hosts") and come up with a plan for helping your hosts understand just what they're getting into when they use your site to run a "one table restaurant." You've created a cute site, but now that you're runnin…

Fuck you. Seriously - the world is not as black and white as you would want it to be... we do not need regulation of every single little aspect of our lives. Have you fucking eaten at restaurants in SF? Try Sam Woo you asshole - that place was an SF legend; and it was one of the most disgusting places.

Wow. What a terrible way to respond. First, opening with "fuck you" and calling another commenter an asshole is uncivil and drags the site down. Second, the insults you chose to hurl at the commenter are empty and boring; they're written solely for your benefit and not for any reader, including the commenter you're replying to. And if you're upset about the commenter's threat to call the health inspector, howling insults at them is (a) unlikely to change their mind and (b) certainly going to make this thread more memorable, lessening the chance that they'd simply forget to make good on the threat.
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