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Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

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Re: Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

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Post by pedalpete »

yadavrh wrote: post #8
pedalpete wrote: post #5

I'm with you on the frustration with Slack and every month when I see our bill I consider forcing the company to change. My co-founder and I tried moving to Google Chat. We already pay for workspace so why not. What kept us on slack is the external partners who are on slack. This is a bigger deal than you might think. Google chat doesn't allow you to add external members unless they were added at the creation of the…

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I don't think you can ignore mobile, particularly wrt notifications. I'm not sure if the app stores are as aggressive in restricting wrapped apps as they used to be.

Re: Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

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Post by pedalpete »

calvinmorrison wrote: post #15
pedalpete wrote: post #5

I'm with you on the frustration with Slack and every month when I see our bill I consider forcing the company to change. My co-founder and I tried moving to Google Chat. We already pay for workspace so why not. What kept us on slack is the external partners who are on slack. This is a bigger deal than you might think. Google chat doesn't allow you to add external members unless they were added at the creation of the…

> What kept us on slack is the external partners who are on slack. This is a bigger deal than you might think. We are there as well. Most partners and clients use Windows. Most of them therefore had exchange and moved to the cloud. Most of them got 'Teams' for free in the package, chat and meetings. Now we see a zoom link and go 'euuuuugh', yuck. hipster yuck. Give me Teams Upsides seem to be, its back to xmpp where…

I feel the same way when I get an email with a Teams link, but I think we're all just going to have to live with the idea that everyone is on different platforms.

This just goes to show how badly Microsoft (or other owners before) messed up with skype. They had an opportunity to own the entire thing.

Re: Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

#43

Post by dbcurtis »

beAbU wrote: post #13

Unpopular opinion maybe, but 90 day memory loss is a feature, not a bug.

Legal would probably tell you to purge anything older than 180 days, unless there is active discovery for a lawsuit, in which case retain until end of law suit. Retention is a legal policy issue, which may vary from company to company, and change when a new GC onboards. That should be driving the technical requirements.

(Not a lawyer, and thankfully, never deposed.)

Re: Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

#44

Post by ryanSrich »

I run a company that services 1,000+ clients on Slack, another 300+ on Teams, and a I wouldn't wish Teams on my worst enemy, so in that regard, I love Slack

The thing I struggle with the most is how I'd move all of our core functionality from Slack. A lot of the people/teams that build these "Slack killers" I don't think have ever run Slack at scale

How are you going to replace the 30+ in-house apps I've built that automate 50+ workflows?

How are you going to replace the 100+ workflows I use with 1,000+ clients when they have to submit a ticket, or questionnaire, or a security event?

How are you going to replace the 100+ partner channels I have where we send out automated messages about specials and discounts we're running?

What about the 500+ other apps I run that integrate with our systems? Are they going to support your new platform?

Do you have retention settings? DLP? How granular can I go on permissions? What about picking up events via the API so I can train people in real time on what not to do in public channels?

I have no affinity or personal ties to Slack. But if you're going to position yourself as a Slack competitor you have to actually do what Slack does

Re: Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

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Post by unsnap_biceps »

yadavrh wrote: post #9
Xorlev wrote: post #7

> Free forever for teams up to 5. Unlimited search, unlimited history. I understand the strategic value of offering unlimited features to differentiate from competitors like Slack, might drive some amount of anxiety. Buyers may question long-term sustainability or fear undisclosed "shadow" caps. Since engineering limits are inevitable to prevent abuse (especially on free accounts), it might be better to set specific,…

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Your costs will change and shift over time. Personally, I don't trust anything that says "Free Forever" or "Unlimited". Give a real limit and figure out the transition. "Free now, and no plans to change, but if it does, we will give you one year to transition" is much more confidence building then "Free forever".

Re: Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

#46

Post by doesnt_know »

ryanSrich wrote: post #44

I run a company that services 1,000+ clients on Slack, another 300+ on Teams, and a I wouldn't wish Teams on my worst enemy, so in that regard, I love Slack The thing I struggle with the most is how I'd move all of our core functionality from Slack. A lot of the people/teams that build these "Slack killers" I don't think have ever run Slack at scale How are you going to replace the 30+ in-house apps I've built that a…

Feels like the more important question is how are you going to do all these things when Slack cuts you off, or there is some new Slack policy that prevents it, or they increase their pricing by 1000%

Haven’t you basically built your entire business on this singular proprietary platform they you have almost no control over?

Re: Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

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Post by ryanSrich »

doesnt_know wrote: post #46
ryanSrich wrote: post #44

I run a company that services 1,000+ clients on Slack, another 300+ on Teams, and a I wouldn't wish Teams on my worst enemy, so in that regard, I love Slack The thing I struggle with the most is how I'd move all of our core functionality from Slack. A lot of the people/teams that build these "Slack killers" I don't think have ever run Slack at scale How are you going to replace the 30+ in-house apps I've built that a…

Feels like the more important question is how are you going to do all these things when Slack cuts you off, or there is some new Slack policy that prevents it, or they increase their pricing by 1000% Haven’t you basically built your entire business on this singular proprietary platform they you have almost no control over?

> Feels like the more important question is how are you going to do all these things when Slack cuts you off

I pay Slack $50k/year. They have no reason to shut me off.

> or there is some new Slack policy that prevents it

Prevents what exactly? The new API pricing they introduced doesn't apply to internal apps. I suppose they could apply it to internal apps. We'd have to figure out a path around it

> or they increase their pricing by 1000%

1000% increase in pricing seems incredibly unlikely. That would not only disrupt thousands of companies but would likely kill Slack entirely

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> Haven’t you basically built your entire business on this singular proprietary platform they you have almost no control over?

Not really. We service clients through Slack. Could we switch? Sure. Would it be a pain? Yeah. Would it be costly? Yeah.

But there's also no reason to switch. And if a new platform comes out (like the one this thread is about), I would expect them to have the features to compete with Slack if they are posiitioning themselves as a Slack competitor

Re: Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

#48

Post by asdff »

calvinmorrison wrote: post #15
pedalpete wrote: post #5

I'm with you on the frustration with Slack and every month when I see our bill I consider forcing the company to change. My co-founder and I tried moving to Google Chat. We already pay for workspace so why not. What kept us on slack is the external partners who are on slack. This is a bigger deal than you might think. Google chat doesn't allow you to add external members unless they were added at the creation of the…

> What kept us on slack is the external partners who are on slack. This is a bigger deal than you might think. We are there as well. Most partners and clients use Windows. Most of them therefore had exchange and moved to the cloud. Most of them got 'Teams' for free in the package, chat and meetings. Now we see a zoom link and go 'euuuuugh', yuck. hipster yuck. Give me Teams Upsides seem to be, its back to xmpp where…

Screw teams. I had a meeting on teams for the first time ever so I decided to use safari, my designated un touched browser on my mac, to use teams in order to maximize compatibility. The thing kept shutting off my webcam every two seconds. I’d turn it on then it would shut off two seconds later. We switched to zoom for the remainder of the meeting.

Google’s offering isn’t much better either. I tried the same thing, going with safari, tested my connection, all was well. Then came time to share screen. No go! Kept complaining I need to enable permissions in safari for hangout that were already enabled.

Zoom just works on the other hand.

Re: Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

#49

Post by asdff »

ryanSrich wrote: post #44

I run a company that services 1,000+ clients on Slack, another 300+ on Teams, and a I wouldn't wish Teams on my worst enemy, so in that regard, I love Slack The thing I struggle with the most is how I'd move all of our core functionality from Slack. A lot of the people/teams that build these "Slack killers" I don't think have ever run Slack at scale How are you going to replace the 30+ in-house apps I've built that a…

A lot of things people build with slack could be done with email but it is seen as old fashioned.

Re: Show HN: Dock – Slack minus the bloat, tax, and 90-day memory loss

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Post by heliostatic »

This looks great. The decisions feature, and the focus on good async, reminds me of Stride (Atlassian's failed chat product).

Chat is such a social product, even inside a company, as many here have addressed. That said, irc, hipchat, campfire, matrix, slack, zulio, lync, wave, and a hundred others have had their moments of success, and I could see this being on the more successful side.

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