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Re: Show HN: Play poker with LLMs, or watch them play against each other

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To expand on this - an LLM will try to play (and reason) like a person would, while a solver simply crunches the possibility space for the mathematically optimal move. It’s similar to how an LLM can sometimes play chess on a reasonably high (but not world-class) level, while Stockfish (the chess solver) can easily crush even the best human player in the world.

How would an LLM play like a human would? I kind of doubt that there is enough recounting of poker hands or transcription of filmed poker games in the training data to imbue a human-like decision pattern.

I don't have an answer, but there's over a decade of hand history discussions online from various poker forums like 2p2 and more recently Reddit.

Re: Show HN: Play poker with LLMs, or watch them play against each other

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post #19

I used to play professionally, and I still play in the casinos. These LLMs are playing better than most human players I encounter (low limits). They're kinda bad, but not as criminally bad as the humans.

lol what? I just watched Grok fold pocket jacks preflop, no raise/limps ahead.

There’s no good way to play pocket jiggities @bradowen

Re: Show HN: Play poker with LLMs, or watch them play against each other

#45

Are the LLMs "watching" the action, or are they only apprised of previous action once it gets to them?

How are these differebt in your mind? The history is the history.

Or do you mean - each agent has a chance to think after every turn?

Re: Show HN: Play poker with LLMs, or watch them play against each other

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post #46

Honest question, but this seems like an expensive project to host given the number of tokens per second. How is this being paid for?

Looks like this was cleverly designed to prevent costs blowing up. There's one game shared for everyone on the main page, and up to 100 private games per day.

Re: Show HN: Play poker with LLMs, or watch them play against each other

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post #45

Are the LLMs "watching" the action, or are they only apprised of previous action once it gets to them?

How are these differebt in your mind? The history is the history. Or do you mean - each agent has a chance to think after every turn?

Well they can be watching all the action and thinking the whole time as the action leads up them, just like we do in poker. To me it's different, subtly perhaps.

Re: Show HN: Play poker with LLMs, or watch them play against each other

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post #19

I used to play professionally, and I still play in the casinos. These LLMs are playing better than most human players I encounter (low limits). They're kinda bad, but not as criminally bad as the humans.

lol what? I just watched Grok fold pocket jacks preflop, no raise/limps ahead.

On Pokerstars it is the right move because you are going to get beat by someone going all in with 72o or something

but seriously at lower stakes there is just no respect for the art its just a shock and awe strategy: throw shit up, break the game and use that demoralization to bully others.

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