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Show HN: EuConform – Offline-first EU AI Act compliance tool (open source)

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Re: Show HN: EuConform – Offline-first EU AI Act compliance tool (open source)

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Post by troupo »

troad wrote: post #35
bigyabai wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This but unironically. Snuff Google, Microsoft and Apple with the passion of a thousand suns and never let their ashes rise again to threaten fair people. Signed, an American who is fed up with adslop and saasslop propaganda. Do not reward immoral megacorps.

As a person who's lived in Europe, I encourage you to try it. You'll find that there are some upsides to all the regulation, but also many downsides. More than you'd expect if you've never lived and worked in Europe before. Many things you take for granted - don't even think about - either don't work at all, or don't work well. Not knocking Europe, but there's too much of a tendency online to picture Europe as some k…

> You'll find that there are some upsides to all the regulation, but also many downsides.

And those are?

> Many things you take for granted - don't even think about - either don't work at all, or don't work well.

And those are?

Re: Show HN: EuConform – Offline-first EU AI Act compliance tool (open source)

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Post by [deleted] »

troupo wrote: post #41
troad wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a person who's lived in Europe, I encourage you to try it. You'll find that there are some upsides to all the regulation, but also many downsides. More than you'd expect if you've never lived and worked in Europe before. Many things you take for granted - don't even think about - either don't work at all, or don't work well. Not knocking Europe, but there's too much of a tendency online to picture Europe as some k…

> You'll find that there are some upsides to all the regulation, but also many downsides. And those are? > Many things you take for granted - don't even think about - either don't work at all, or don't work well. And those are?

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Re: Show HN: EuConform – Offline-first EU AI Act compliance tool (open source)

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Post by arter45 »

pennaMan wrote: post #32
wizzwizz4 wrote: post #31

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The industrial revolution created slums. Social progress made those go away – and I'm sure the factory owners decried it just as vehemently.

The industrial revolution also created clean drinking-water systems, sewerage and wastewater treatment, basic sanitation and hygiene infrastructure, mass-produced vaccination, antibiotics, antisepsis and sterilization, anesthesia, obstetric and neonatal care technology, refrigeration and cold-chain logistics, food safety and industrial food processing, pasteurization, canning, mechanized agriculture, synthetic fertil…

Of course, new technology usually allows to do stuff that wasn't possible before, or maybe do stuff faster.

The point is how we use technology.

Without going to WW2 technology extremes, think about AI systems generating pictures of naked people from a regular picture. Regardless of the fact that this was already more or less possible using Photoshop or other tools (as I said before, technology is not always about new things, maybe it's about faster workflows), is there a clear net benefit to society when comparing pros and cons?

This doesn't mean that you should forbid all kinds of innovation, but if you're running a service (people keep interacting with you, they don't just buy stuff and use that at home) and a data-driven one at that (you know how people use your service because that's part of how you make money), some degree of responsibility should be expected.

If I buy a coconut and I use it to hurt someone, the original seller doesn't know it, but if I keep renting cars to hide bodies and the rental company has cameras inside the car as part of their business model, at some point the company could say "hey, what about this guy? What should we do about him?". And if for some reason it turns out that most customers rent cars for that reason, I would hope at some point someone would think "hey, how did we get to this situation? What should we do?".

Re: Show HN: EuConform – Offline-first EU AI Act compliance tool (open source)

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Post by ankit219 »

lawlessone wrote: post #28
ankit219 wrote: post #19

Calling it "Conform" is very 1984esque. There is also a 2025 book (a dystopian romance) called the same: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/223239535-conform

TIL 1984-esque is when i can't use my customers data to train bots.

TIL you cant take a joke on the name, and you have to invoke a stated premise to feel better. If you really thing that is the only thing the act is doing (without realizing the carve outs it has for facial recognition etc.) then i have a tower bridge to sell to you.

Rules and regulations always assume it would be used by a rational actor, but should be written such that someone irrational would not be able to misuse it. That is teh premise of 1984. But you do you .

Re: Show HN: EuConform – Offline-first EU AI Act compliance tool (open source)

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Post by ankit219 »

mort96 wrote: post #40
ankit219 wrote: post #19

Calling it "Conform" is very 1984esque. There is also a 2025 book (a dystopian romance) called the same: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/223239535-conform

Needing to conform to various rules and regulations isn't exactly a new thing

It was a joke on the name. Nothing to do with the content. Conform to newspeak is what 1984 is famous for.

Re: Show HN: EuConform – Offline-first EU AI Act compliance tool (open source)

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Post by mort96 »

ankit219 wrote: post #47
mort96 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Needing to conform to various rules and regulations isn't exactly a new thing

It was a joke on the name. Nothing to do with the content. Conform to newspeak is what 1984 is famous for.

And .. it's also just a normal word which describes what you do in relation to regulations or standards

Re: Show HN: EuConform – Offline-first EU AI Act compliance tool (open source)

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Post by ankit219 »

mort96 wrote: post #48
ankit219 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was a joke on the name. Nothing to do with the content. Conform to newspeak is what 1984 is famous for.

And .. it's also just a normal word which describes what you do in relation to regulations or standards

No its not. You follow the rules or you adhere to them.

You change your behavior or belief system to match a group's standard/norm (conform).

Conform and follow/adhere are quite different, and convey the thought process underneath.

Re: Show HN: EuConform – Offline-first EU AI Act compliance tool (open source)

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Post by mort96 »

ankit219 wrote: post #49
mort96 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And .. it's also just a normal word which describes what you do in relation to regulations or standards

No its not. You follow the rules or you adhere to them. You change your behavior or belief system to match a group's standard/norm (conform). Conform and follow/adhere are quite different, and convey the thought process underneath.

You conform to standards and specifications.
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