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Re: Show HN: Chat with 19 years of HN

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Uh, how do I opt out from AI impersonating myself? Is the goal of these products that I stop contributing to the Internet? Also I find quite distasteful that you get free data without explicit approval and try to sell it back to the same audience.

You can ask ChatGPT its opinion about you as HN user, and you will see they trained on the whole content of HN.

Re: Show HN: Chat with 19 years of HN

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And don't mistreat peoples public data, and expect them to like or support you.

Unfortunately “mistreat” is highly subjective. No matter what you do someone will be angry at you. I once got yelled at for taking a picture on a public beach where there was some family picnicking maybe 50 meters away. I think I was reasonable, the gentleman most emphatically did not. Control what you can control. If you object to being a small data point in someone else’s documentation of a public experience, don’t…

Don't disagree, just saying it goes both ways. In your case you didn't care (not judging, I probably wouldn't either) about the opinions of the randos at the beach. However, in business, reputation does matter.

Re: Show HN: Chat with 19 years of HN

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Never do anything publicly that you don’t want to be public.

I'm fine with public records of stuff I have posted, I'd not be fine if you were impersonating me, nor I am if it's a piece of software doing that. Can we take the ethics of AI seriously? I feel it's about time.

Agreed, role playing as real people is unacceptable for both AI and other real people.

“Tell me what Bernie Sanders might say about…” is fine, so long as the response is in the form “based on his past statements”. “Pretend to be Bernie Sanders and talk about” is not ok to prompt, nor ok for the model to respond to with an impersonation.

Re: Show HN: Chat with 19 years of HN

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Data is unable to regurgitate a comment in my style and pass it for something I have written. If a person were to do that, that'd be quite rude, but if it's AI it's perfectly fine? I do not think so.

In public you have no control over how someone uses a picture of your likeness

That's not true in the case of impersonating someone based on public recording of them. You'll quickly run afoul of Right of Publicity laws. It's one thing to simply record people in public where they don't have an expectation of privacy. It's quite another to impersonate them.

Re: Show HN: Chat with 19 years of HN

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This is impressive! Some interesting (and seemingly accurate) insights on my own behaviours :-) Caveat: I didn't try this on desktop. On mobile (DDG Browser) I couldn't actually see any charts on the questions I asked. Whilst the display of the tables (dataframes?) is nice, my suspicion is a general user would prefer a graph or table _by default_. I needed to prompt specifically to get the workflow to output a graph…

Thanks for the feedback! We've noticed o3 doesn't tend to make graphs when it should but sonnet makes too many graphs... We'll have to keep tweaking this. Mobile definitely needs some work but I'm glad it worked for you.

Re: Show HN: Chat with 19 years of HN

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Uh, how do I opt out from AI impersonating myself? Is the goal of these products that I stop contributing to the Internet? Also I find quite distasteful that you get free data without explicit approval and try to sell it back to the same audience.

You can ask ChatGPT its opinion about you as HN user, and you will see they trained on the whole content of HN.

I had another experience; even though it roasted me pretty thoroughly, that was only until I turned on web search. Before that, it was just pulling random, plausible shit out of its ass.

https://chatgpt.com/share/682a275e-0cb8-8013-8365-b896bfa171...

Re: Show HN: Chat with 19 years of HN

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It doesn’t even surprise me anymore that someone is charging a subscription fee to use an off the shelf LLM with scraped data from a public site. The gold rush can’t be over soon enough.

The problem is that you can't host a free LLM based service the way you can host a website, without being exposed to cost spikes the moment it becomes popular (or misused). Lots of smaller apps need a better cost pass-through mechanism; this is even more of a problem for hobbyists/non-profit projects than for commercial ones. We can't keep going with a free trial (costs eaten by developer) + subscription for every li…

A better solution is to allow the user to provide their own API key if they want to use it without limits (and really the needed solution is authentication and authorization that provides access to the appropriate API accounts without manually passing around a key). Subscriptions are a tool to generate revenue, not to purely pass on costs.

Re: Show HN: Chat with 19 years of HN

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"What do you think about user XYZ?" or "What do you think about the comments of user XYZ?" It starts a whole lot of SQL queries that find and aggregate data & statistics It must have a very interesting and well written system prompt for this type of questions. (gives me second thoughts about my personal approach to privacy)

> "What do you think about the comments of user XYZ"

Wow that is really scary. Never did I ever think someone would actually go through all my old comments, analyze them in detail and then judge me based on them (my real account, not this throwaway).

Yes I knew it would be theoretically possible, but you'd have to be a total stalker and real creep to actually do it. Now anyone with an LLM can just do it without a second thought.

And it'll only get worse from here on. I'm sure there is at least 1 comment somewhere on the internet by me where I wasn't too nice, or a like / upvote on a questionable opinion or something.

If it's in any way connectable to me future AI tech is going to find it. Probably even across accounts, matching writing styles and whatnot.

I seriously think I'm going to stop posting on the internet for good.

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