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Re: Show HN: Undetectag, track stolen items with AirTag

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Post by andygeorge »

fn-mote wrote: post #35
schmichael wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s perfect for finding out where someone lives. Drop it in their bag or jacket at a concert/bar/work/whatever-in-the-evening, and the place they’re likely at in 4 hours is their home. Not trying to be creepy, I’m just trying to demonstrate how we all need to think like adversaries (eg creeps) when designing products.

You can probably find out where they live from knowing their name. This application is not a high level of stalking.

> not a high level of stalking

imo no level of stalking is appropriate. while this device might not do everything a stalker wants it to, it surely makes it easier for them

Re: Show HN: Undetectag, track stolen items with AirTag

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Post by _aavaa_ »

mulmen wrote: post #28
dudeinjapan wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A reasonable solution would be to get to buy the newer model half-off if this happens. Obviously the maker can’t just have his entire biz nuked with refunds if Apple happens to update firmware.

I think you have your priorities wrong. Why should an unsustainable business be prioritized over consumer benefit? Nobody has a right to a successful business but when consumers can trust their purchases they are more likely to make additional purchases.

The lack of trust in the purchase comes from Apple, not from this seller. It's apple that's reaching into your device and force updating the firmware without your consent.

Re: Show HN: Undetectag, track stolen items with AirTag

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Post by andygeorge »

pompidoo wrote: post #30
cmeacham98 wrote: post #4

> Events outside our control, such as Apple updating the firmware in the future to prevent the device from working, will not qualify for a refund. I fully understand why you would want to do this, but as a consumer I would never buy this product with this clause.

I understand your point. In this case the price point makes this a bearable risk, especially to protect much more valuable items. A refund is only useful if only a certain % of people have issue or the company is big. Since this is my only product, an Airtag update that bricks the devices would just bankrupt the company and make me unable to refund most people as my margin is very low anyway.

sure but you've acknowledged that your product is something that Apple considers bad and could shut it down. that can usually be overlooked for things like emulation, but you've developed a product that does something Apple specifically added protections against after they learned of its dangerous misuse

Re: Show HN: Undetectag, track stolen items with AirTag

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Post by andygeorge »

pompidoo wrote: post #22
cinntaile wrote: post #20

Can the time interval be changed by the user or is it hardcoded? What are the limits if they can be changed?

hardcoded, but I'm thinking of offering different time intervals in the future

> offering different time intervals

your previous response to the stalking concerns was "it's 4 hours off / 1 hour on, the device is not very suitable for stalking someone"; wouldn't this comment - allowing that to change - then make it even easier for stalkers?

Re: Show HN: Undetectag, track stolen items with AirTag

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Post by RandallBrown »

mulmen wrote: post #23

AirTags aren’t meant to get stolen items back. That just isn’t the use case. How does this compare to actual GPS trackers like https://monimoto.com/ ?

It's about 10x the size and 4-5x the price.

Probably worth it for a vehicle, but maybe not for a backpack.

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