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Show HN: Check Supply – Send Checks in the Mail

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Re: Show HN: Check Supply – Send Checks in the Mail

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post #7

How common is check usage in the USA? Is it a daily/weekly/monthly/quarterly thing?

I write a physical check maybe every other year or so. I receive maybe 4 or 5 physical checks a year, either from older relatives or compensation from companies. I deposit them with my bank's cellphone app so it is no hassle at all.

Re: Show HN: Check Supply – Send Checks in the Mail

#42
I’m curious, what’s an example of a “neo bank” that you say doesn’t offer bill pay? I’m sure they exist, just wondering who they are.

Bill pay sends a bank check which is covered by the immediate withdrawal of funds from the customer’s account. In most cases, the customer would be fine with that or even prefer it, to ensure they don’t accidentally bounce a check.

However, I’m wondering if another customer base can be someone who has bank bill pay but wants to float the funds until the check is cashed. Maybe they don’t have the actual funds yet but want to write a check against funds they expect to have soon (risky but people do it).

Do you restrict writing checks that are for an amount greater than the current account balance?

Lastly, I’m wondering how you handle deliberate check fraud. Victims will try to sue all associated parties. How does your liability work in those cases?

Re: Show HN: Check Supply – Send Checks in the Mail

#43

I see you are using Plaid for Bank integration. The last time I checked Plaid , there were security issues with regards to how it handled passwords by copying Bank login screens. I believe TD was suing Plaid for this reason. I wish you best of luck but I avoid any service that uses Plaid.

Plaid, when able, uses OAuth or similar APIs; they (and all the other financial aggregators) use screen scraping only when that's not a possibility. A lot of the big banks have already made a deal with Plaid in this regard.

If you have a Capital One or Citi account, both use a direct integration.

Re: Show HN: Check Supply – Send Checks in the Mail

#44
It's still baffling to me that the US, unlike most other countries, have never developed "push" bank/credit transfers.

Checks might have been useful historically, but I really can't think of any use case these days where I'd prefer writing a check over just instructing my bank to pay somebody directly, which has the huge advantage of being more secure (my bank and I can agree on any security measures we like, vs. having to trust various third parties to "authenticate" a piece of paper and a signature) and avoids having to "balance my checking account" entirely.

Re: Show HN: Check Supply – Send Checks in the Mail

#45
post #7

How common is check usage in the USA? Is it a daily/weekly/monthly/quarterly thing?

I paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to my contractors via paper cheques. Completely wild to me as someone who grew up with the practice. You'd think we had a better way, but wires and ACH transfers are still relatively clunky.

Re: Show HN: Check Supply – Send Checks in the Mail

#46
post #6
post #3

Not to rain on your parade, but my Chase app already has this ability. Don’t other banks as well? Whats the upside of this option?

Yes most of the major banks do, but many neo banks don't. Upside is convenience and speed for folks that don't have a bank with billpay.

Not sure what a neo bank is, but I don't think I'd trust an institution with my money that couldn't even be bothered to integrate the standard "check writing and mailing" package. I'm pretty sure every instance of "Bill Pay" is the same software, re-skinned for the bank's color scheme.

Re: Show HN: Check Supply – Send Checks in the Mail

#47
post #15

Why does it need to be connected to your bank at all? It just needs the account, routing, and check numbers. I can order paper checks with arbitrary account and routing numbers on them. Also, for people with printers: checks don’t need to be with special ink or on special paper.

Technically, a check can be scribbled on a napkin in crayon, as long as it contains the sender’s account and routing numbers, and the payee, and the amount. It’s just an instruction note to a bank saying pay this person from this account.

I was told that a long time ago. But it turns out if your routing and account numbers aren't MICR'd, and you in fact hand wrote the entire instrument, it will not work.

(We tried it a couple times at two different banks. With n=2, our p value was Is there some sort of standards document somewhere that outlines the minimum viable check? Because handwritten in crayon on a napkin... I don't think that even "technically" counts. At least not anymore.

But on the other hand, I suppose a payee could accept your Crayola-napkin-check and just punch the numbers into their electronic check submission system?

Re: Show HN: Check Supply – Send Checks in the Mail

#48
post #15

Why does it need to be connected to your bank at all? It just needs the account, routing, and check numbers. I can order paper checks with arbitrary account and routing numbers on them. Also, for people with printers: checks don’t need to be with special ink or on special paper.

Technically, a check can be scribbled on a napkin in crayon, as long as it contains the sender’s account and routing numbers, and the payee, and the amount. It’s just an instruction note to a bank saying pay this person from this account.

Accept now bank will accept this "technically a check". If they can't send it through their reader for scanning, then it will not be accepted. As someone else posted in another comment, the fonts and placement of the information on a check is standardized for ease of automatic reading.

Re: Show HN: Check Supply – Send Checks in the Mail

#49
post #7

How common is check usage in the USA? Is it a daily/weekly/monthly/quarterly thing?

I'd say I write about 2 to 6 checks per year? It's the easiest payment method that doesn't come with transaction fees (eg 0.3-5% for a card; similar for app payments). So it's pretty common for higher-ticket items where the transaction fee costs much more than a check+stamp and neither party wants to eat that cost. Things like paying home contractors, property taxes, buying a car or other expensive items.

Re: Show HN: Check Supply – Send Checks in the Mail

#50
post #44

It's still baffling to me that the US, unlike most other countries, have never developed "push" bank/credit transfers. Checks might have been useful historically, but I really can't think of any use case these days where I'd prefer writing a check over just instructing my bank to pay somebody directly, which has the huge advantage of being more secure (my bank and I can agree on any security measures we like, vs. hav…

>It's still baffling to me that the US, unlike most other countries, have never developed "push" bank/credit transfers.

ACH and Zelle are both "push" transfers, although the former isn't typically available to consumers. Businesses certainly use it to do direct payroll deposits, for instance.

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