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The more the public has access to these tools, the more they'll develop useful scar tissue and muscle memory. We need people to be constantly exposed to bots so that they understand the new nature of digital information. When the automobile was developed, we had to train kids not to play in the streets. We didn't put kids or cars in bubbles. When photoshop came out, we developed a vernacular around edited images. "Ph…
Counter point the number of supposedly educated people falling into social media echo chambers parroting partisan views, sharing on ramps, recommending supplements. They obviously do not see the harm, if fact they feel superior, feeling the need to educate and lecture. The vector here was social media, the vector here is reliance on chatbots. I mildly trust the big player like Anthropic and even OpenAI, but imagine t…
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
> vouching for less regulations and more exposure is simply irresponsible. We let people buy 6,000 pound vehicles capable of traveling 100+ mph. We let people buy sharp knives and guns. And heat their homes with flammable gas. And hike up dangerous tall mountains. I think the LLM is the least of society's worries and this pervasive thinking that everything needs to be wrapped up in bubble wrap is what is actually dan…
There's a vast middle ground between completely unregulated technology and an Orwellian state. Let's not entertain absolutes. > We let people buy 6,000 pound vehicles capable of traveling 100+ mph. > We let people buy sharp knives and guns. And heat their homes with flammable gas. And hike up dangerous tall mountains. All of those have regulations around them, and people have gotten familiar with how they work. More…
In response to actual incidents, not imagined ones. Regulations should not come first. We already have the biggest companies chasing after a regulatory moat to protect themselves from competition and commoditization, and that's not how this should work.
> we took precautions to ensure the necessary safety.
No we didn't! We used the technology, we made lots of mistakes, and learned over time. That's how it's been with every innovation cycle. If we regulated from day one, maybe we would slowed down and not reached the point we are today.
Europe is a good model for a presumptive, over-regulated society. Their comparable industries are smaller and lag behind our own because of it.
> People don't understand the dangers of the modern internet either,
People "don't understand" a lot of things, such as the dangers they expose themselves to when driving over 30 mph. Yet we don't take that privilege away from them unless they break the law. Laws that only bare teeth after the fact, mind you.
Imagine if we tried to "protect society from the internet" and restricted access. The naysayers of the time wanted to, and you can find evidence if you look at old newspapers. Or imagine if we had a closed set of allowed businesses use cases and we didn't allow them to build whatever they wanted without some official process. There would be so many missing pieces.
Even laws and regulations proposed for mature technologies can be completely spurious. For instance, all the regulations being designed to "protect the children" that are actually more about tracking and censorship. If people cared about protecting the children, they'd give them free school lunches and education, not try to track who signs up for what porn website. That's just building a treasure trove of kompromat to employ against political rivals. Or projecting the puritanical dreams of some lawmakers onto the whole of society.
> People [...] they're subjects of [...] all sorts of psychological manipulation from advertising and propaganda that influences how they think, vote and behave in society
> Democratic institutions are crumbling
So this is why you think this way. You think of society as a failing institution of sorts. You're unhappy with the shape of the world and you're trying to control what people are exposed to and how they think.
I don't think that there's any amount of debate between you and I that will make us see eye to eye. I fundamentally believe you're wrong about this.
We live as mere motes of dust within a geologically old and infinite universe. Our lives are vanishingly short. You're trying to button down what people can do and fit them into constructed plans that match your pessimistic worldview.
We need to be free. We need more experimentation. We need more degrees of freedom with less structure and rigidity. Your prescriptive thinking lowers the energy potential of society and substitutes raw human wants with something designed, stamped, and approved by the central authority.
We didn't evolve from star dust to adventurous thinking apes just to live within the shackles of other people's minds.
> unleashing a technology that has a high chance of making this worse
You are presupposing an outcome and you worry too much.
Don't regulate technology, regulate abusive behavior using the existing legal frameworks. We will pass all the laws we need as situations arise. And it will work.
> eventually climb out of the hole we're currently digging ourselves into.
We're not in a hole. Stop looking down and look up.
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#43Why are AI researchers constantly handicapping everything they do under the guise of ""safety""? It's a bag of data and some math algorithms that generate text....
What if an AI model could tell you exactly how to modify a common virus to kill 50% of everyone it infects?
Seriously. The reason why we dont have mass killings everywhere is not the fact that information on how to make explosive drones or poisons is impossible to find or access. It's also not so hard to buy a car or knife.
Hell you can even find YouTube videos on how exactly uranium enrichment works step by step. Even though some content creators even got police raided for that. Yet we dont see tons of random kids making dirty bombs.
PS: Cody's Lab: Uranium Refining:
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Quite a lot of whataboutisms and straw men in your post, let's stick to LLMs, as that was the original topic.
It's contextualization, not a logical fallacy. Let's stop treating LLMs as spooky.
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Counter point the number of supposedly educated people falling into social media echo chambers parroting partisan views, sharing on ramps, recommending supplements. They obviously do not see the harm, if fact they feel superior, feeling the need to educate and lecture. The vector here was social media, the vector here is reliance on chatbots. I mildly trust the big player like Anthropic and even OpenAI, but imagine t…
I feel my response here [1] also applies to you. People are going to do these things anyway. We've had "yellow journalism" since the 1800s. It's a tale as old as time. What right do we have to go around policing other people's minds? When I grew up, the Internet was an escape from the puritanical censorship of the southern baptists I was surrounded with. It was a bastion of free information and idea exchange. If the…
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Counter point the number of supposedly educated people falling into social media echo chambers parroting partisan views, sharing on ramps, recommending supplements. They obviously do not see the harm, if fact they feel superior, feeling the need to educate and lecture. The vector here was social media, the vector here is reliance on chatbots. I mildly trust the big player like Anthropic and even OpenAI, but imagine t…
There's nothing wrong with supplements. I live in a place where you're lucky to get an hour of sunlight per day in the winter. Vitamin D supplements have been very helpful.
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#47Why are AI researchers constantly handicapping everything they do under the guise of ""safety""? It's a bag of data and some math algorithms that generate text....
So of course if this is where the money and interest flows then the research follows.
Besides, it's a generally useful area anyway. The ability to tweak behavior even if not done for "safety" still seems pretty useful.
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#48Why are AI researchers constantly handicapping everything they do under the guise of ""safety""? It's a bag of data and some math algorithms that generate text....
It's the same with plenty of other things.
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#49This is the ultimate propaganda machine, no? We’re social creatures, chatbots already act as friends and advisors for many people. Seems like a pretty good vector for a social attack.
The more the public has access to these tools, the more they'll develop useful scar tissue and muscle memory. We need people to be constantly exposed to bots so that they understand the new nature of digital information. When the automobile was developed, we had to train kids not to play in the streets. We didn't put kids or cars in bubbles. When photoshop came out, we developed a vernacular around edited images. "Ph…
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Your analogies don't quite align with this technology. We've had exposure to propaganda and disinformation for many decades, long before the internet became their primary medium, yet people don't learn to become immune to them. They're more effective now than they've ever been, and AI tools will only make them more so. Arguing that more exposure will somehow magically solve these problems is delusional at best, and d…
> vouching for less regulations and more exposure is simply irresponsible. We let people buy 6,000 pound vehicles capable of traveling 100+ mph. We let people buy sharp knives and guns. And heat their homes with flammable gas. And hike up dangerous tall mountains. I think the LLM is the least of society's worries and this pervasive thinking that everything needs to be wrapped up in bubble wrap is what is actually dan…